How naive is this?

olds

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Voting for Trump because no one will work with him and as a result, he'll be an ineffective leader who can accomplish nothing.

Whereas Hillary will find support and run the country even further off the edge into doom and darkness.

I mumbled something about Trump then trying to rule by executive order but had no other argument.
 

fskimospy

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Voting for Trump because no one will work with him and as a result, he'll be an ineffective leader who can accomplish nothing.

Whereas Hillary will find support and run the country even further off the edge into doom and darkness.

I mumbled something about Trump then trying to rule by executive order but had no other argument.

Presidents have an enormous amount of power to shape policy even without Congress, so while he might be an ineffective leader Trump could still cause a huge amount of damage on his way down.

I remember people saying that voting for Ralph Nader wasn't a big deal because Bush would be an ineffective leader who would accomplish nothing. How did that work out?
 
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Voting for Trump because no one will work with him and as a result, he'll be an ineffective leader who can accomplish nothing.

Whereas Hillary will find support and run the country even further off the edge into doom and darkness.

I mumbled something about Trump then trying to rule by executive order but had no other argument.

Yup its the bring Government down so it can drown in a bathtub or starve the beast guys.
I heard one of those guys say two years ago that increasing the minimum wage will increase the recipients tax burden so they should be against it.
 

Commodus

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I get a laugh when someone claims that Clinton will run the country "even further off the edge." Oh no, Obama was so terrible! He only presided over an (imperfect) recovery from one of the worst economic implosions in decades, took down bin Laden, embraced technology in government and pushed for much-needed progression on LGBT civil liberties.

Obamacare has been something of a mess, but that's partly because Obama knew that he couldn't pass more substantial reform in the current political climate. Certainly not when obstructionists like Cruz will vote against anything the Democrats are for, even if it's something the Republicans would do on their own. The problem is that the attempt at a compromise only ended up helping some people, and hurt others.
 
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dank69

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The idea that the GOP doesn't want exactly what Trump wants is fucking stupid. The GOP just doesn't want to admit that they want all that shit publicly.
 

1sikbITCH

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Presidents have an enormous amount of power to shape policy even without Congress, so while he might be an ineffective leader Trump could still cause a huge amount of damage on his way down.

I remember people saying that voting for Ralph Nader wasn't a big deal because Bush would be an ineffective leader who would accomplish nothing. How did that work out?

We call that "fooled me once" although I did not vote for Nader my abstaining was bad enough. Not taking that chance again.
 

sandorski

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Trump has been so vague on Policy and so outlandish in other ways that it is hard to take what he says seriously. I think everyone, even his supporters, are in a state of shock at what they see before them. From within that vacuum emerges the OmniTrump, the Trump that is everything any single person Wants or Fears.

A vote for Trump is a vote for "Whatever".
 

1sikbITCH

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Being semi serious Trump has too much real estate to lose. He'd never do it against a nuclear armed country except maybe NK

Yeah it's hyperbole but he just can't STFU and we'll wake up to 3am tweets threatening to blow everyone up even if he can't just do it. Dude's a walking disaster.
 
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Trump has been so vague on Policy and so outlandish in other ways that it is hard to take what he says seriously. I think everyone, even his supporters, are in a state of shock at what they see before them. From within that vacuum emerges the OmniTrump, the Trump that is everything any single person Wants or Fears.

A vote for Trump is a vote for "Whatever".

Agreed at first I thought the outrageousness was simply to win the Primary I hoped he would move to the center and become a hybrid Dem/Republican. I hoped for a kind and sensible health plan, he's been for the single payer in the past. Opt out of ME meddling, I'm very comfortable letting Russia sort out Syria. Sensible tax reform.
I was proven wrong.
 

MrSquished

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Agreed at first I thought the outrageousness was simply to win the Primary I hoped he would move to the center and become a hybrid Dem/Republican. I hoped for a kind and sensible health plan, he's been for the single payer in the past. Opt out of ME meddling, I'm very comfortable letting Russia sort out Syria. Sensible tax reform.
I was proven wrong.

He's just gotten more and more radical, erratic and dangerous as the shackles came off.
 

Jaskalas

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Voting for Trump because no one will work with him and as a result, he'll be an ineffective leader who can accomplish nothing.

Well.. it's not that so much as Congress might unite to stop him, and to override vetos.
You're talking a potential cultural realignment in DC to affirm the one Wall Street loving party.
 

1prophet

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Trump is the white persons version of burning down their own neighborhood, unless the underlying causes that enabled someone like Trump to get as far as they did are addressed it's only going to get worse with more Trump types and possibly worse eventually winning.
 
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zinfamous

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Yeah it's hyperbole but he just can't STFU and we'll wake up to 3am tweets threatening to blow everyone up even if he can't just do it. Dude's a walking disaster.

imagine if Nixon had Twitter and well, the internet. Apparently, that dude was 5 sheets to the wind every evening and staffers had a well-rehearsed protocol on how to distract him and not follow through on his alarmingly common practice of ordering nuclear strikes. This is a story that Kissinger frequently tells.