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I only drive 8k miles a year so high gas prices really don't effect me a lot. I do want to buy a diesel car now but that is more to play with a diesel since I've never owned one than to save money on fuel. I want a 80s mercedes diesel wagon to replace my dodge caravan beater.
 
Arkaign said:
I'm in Dfw, and have to drive about ~20k/year. I'm pretty happy to get the average 30+mpg I'm getting with my Focus. That's about 55 gallons/month, so a bit over $220/month on gas already. I can imagine I'd be feeling a lot of pain if I was getting 15mpg mixed like a few people I know. A trip to a destination in the area 30 miles away and back would be 4 gallons, or $16 in fuel alone, or $8 more for that single trip. That tends to add up quickly, and there are more important things I can spend my $$ on.

I want something more fun to drive eventually, but it looks like it will have to end up being a 2nd/spare car.
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n/a MR2! Cheap, good fuel mileage, and fun to drive. The Spyders were rated for 26/33 and the older ones shouldn't be too far off. I drove the crap out of my 86 and still got 28mpg - best of 44mpg doing 55mph on the highway (family move, following a car/trailer..hence the low speed).
 
KentState said:
Give me the performance and driving range of something comparable to my current car and I will switch. I want to be able to drive 500 miles with only a stop for lunch, go 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, do the 1/4 in 12 seconds and pull nearly 1g. Otherwise I will suck it up and either get a second car or pay the $20/gallon.
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No ICE car capable of those performance numbers is going to give more than 200 miles per tank, why do you require 500 out of an electric? That's not comparable, that's 2.5 times better.
 
exdeath said:
No ICE car capable of those performance numbers is going to give more than 200 miles per tank, why do you require 500 out of an electric? That's not comparable, that's 2.5 times better.
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Shall I take that as a challenge? I might be able to squeak out 201... :hmm:

I'm not sure about the 3.9 to 60, though. I wish they'd have a timer for that at the track..
 
Well, you don't do 0-60 in 3.9 all the time even if your car can do it, so the 200 miles per tank would seem to be easy.

With a 20 gallon tank, you'd only need to get 10mpg highway...no supercar is that bad on the highway.

Even a Veyron is rated 10mpg combined and 15mpg highway.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Well, you don't do 0-60 in 3.9 all the time even if your car can do it, so the 200 miles per tank would seem to be easy.

With a 20 gallon tank, you'd only need to get 10mpg highway...no supercar is that bad on the highway.

Even a Veyron is rated 10mpg combined and 15mpg highway.
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Except the original poster was wanting 0-60 in <3.9s and >500 mile range from his car...
 
Monster_Munch said:
I wonder if we'll start riding horses again.
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Horses are ridiculously expensive. Gas would need to hit $50/gallon before buying a horse would make sense. Even my ghetto shit car has more power than a dozen full size horses.
(horsepower was based on little tiny horses that nobody uses for anything)
 
Meh, we don't have any hybrids right now so I can't switch even if I want to. And I live 3.6 miles from the dealership. And I live in Texas, so I would get laughed out of town if I drove a hybrid even if we did have any. However, my next demo is coming up soon, will probably get a durango. If gas keeps going higher I might try out a charger for a while I guess, those look pretty cool.
 
ShawnD1 said:
Horses are ridiculously expensive. Gas would need to hit $50/gallon before buying a horse would make sense. Even my ghetto shit car has more power than a dozen full size horses.
(horsepower was based on little tiny horses that nobody uses for anything)
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Traction is partly the key. Horses have a lot of traction.

A small tractor with those huge tires can really pull even with a low hp engine.

A small car with 100hp might lose a tug of war due to traction.
 
I will not own an EV or plug-in hybrid for quite some time. I'd rather jump to a TDI before doing so. My commute is ~70 miles so they just don't make sense. I don't have a garage.. how are you supposed to plug-in? Extend a 40' power cable onto the street?

That and they just aren't very fun to drive.
 
I don't drive enough for gas prices to bother me much. However, to reduce my dependence on oil, I would consider one that was within $10k of a conventional vehicle if there was a hybrid that met my requirements.
 
exdeath said:
No ICE car capable of those performance numbers is going to give more than 200 miles per tank, why do you require 500 out of an electric? That's not comparable, that's 2.5 times better.
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It is comparable for a number of reasons.

1) On the highway you'll do a lot better than 200. My normal mix gives 160 or so in my Mustang. If I fill up and drive at 75 until I need gas I'll make it more like 350.
2) The bigger problem is the fill time. I can drive 300 miles in my car, spend 10 minutes getting gas, then drive 300 back if I want. Try doing that in an electric.

Yes the charging infrastructure may eventually develop, yes battery exchanges would solve the problem, but for right now an EV limits you to either one stop destinations that are within a radius of less than half your range or overnight destinations that have charging facilities.

The other big issue is that current EVs have serious difficulty accurately estimating their range. With gas it's very predictable, and easily correctable nearly anywhere you're likely to drive.

Viper GTS
 
I'm more concerned about being stuck in traffic every day then the $7 gas price we have here in Belgium. I'm thinking about buying an e-bike for my commute. An optibike looks very tempting, but is crazy expensive and kind of illegal to drive here because it's not considered a bicycle anymore.
 
We own a 2007 4cy Camry and a 2007 Civic so we're not hurt terribly by gas prices. I also get reimbursed for mileage most of the time when I do drive.

However, as gas prices rise, so do demand for higher efficiency cars so I would get one now if at all.

Right now we're pretty happy with the ~29mpg we get with the Camry and ~34mpg with the Civic.
 
I'd switch to a prius now if I could get a decent deal on one.

They had a lease special going and I drove one a few weeks ago. I liked it. But when we got inside, they only wanted to give me 3/4 of what I owe on my current vehicle, and they wanted like $550/month for a 36 month lease on the prius since I guess it was not the same trim level as the lease special.

The lease special was for a Prius II @ $269/mo for 36 months w\ 0 down. I thought it was a pretty good deal, especially considering the savings w\ gas ~50mpg or more.

The salesman was saying that w\ gas prices going up that they would likely start jacking up the prius upwards of 10k over sticker price.
 
airdata said:
The salesman was saying that w\ gas prices going up that they would likely start jacking up the prius upwards of 10k over sticker price.
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LOL good luck with that. Gas in Canada is quite a bit more expensive than it is in the US. Nobody in Canada drives a Prius.

Actual number is like 20,000 units in a country as populated as California. They are very rarely seen.
 
It would have to be more than $7/gal for me to seriously consider a plug-in hybrid (assuming they maintain a price premium) - I don't drive enough to bother until then.
 
exdeath said:
No ICE car capable of those performance numbers is going to give more than 200 miles per tank, why do you require 500 out of an electric? That's not comparable, that's 2.5 times better.
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My point is that I can take a 500 mile trip, have a 10 minute fillup along the way and still have a car that is capable of fast performance all under $70k. With EV right now, it's a compromise in range, performance and price.
 
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