How much would a true 1080i 36" LCD HDTV cost?

SaltBoy

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I saw a very nice 720p 30" LCD tv at BestBuy that was about $3500, but, like I mentioned, it wasn't true HD. Any ideas, people?
 

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Uhh...720p is one of the HD formats.  The other, 1080i, only needs 540 lines of resolution...not 1080...it's interlaced, not progressive.

Trouble with plasma is you're typically limited to 1024 or maybe 1280 vertical lines of resolution.
 

SaltBoy

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Originally posted by: conjur
Uhh...720p is one of the HD formats.  The other, 1080i, only needs 540 lines of resolution...not 1080...it's interlaced, not progressive.

Trouble with plasma is you're typically limited to 1024 or maybe 1280 vertical lines of resolution.
So 720p is better than 1080i? Doh! :eek:

Please, enlighten me!
 

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huh? doesn't 1080i mean that there are 1080 lines but that it redraws only every other line per scan?
 

SaltBoy

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Okay, tell me if I'm wrong:

1080i = 1920x1080
720p = 1280x720

Ummm... what else?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: SaltBoy

So 720p is better than 1080i? Doh! :eek:

Please, enlighten me!

Depends.

720p is great for sports where there is a lot of panning and other motion. Progressive is better suited to that to avoid 'the jagged edges'.

But, 1080i actually has more pixels (1920x1080) but is displayed as interlaced so only 540 lines are drawn at a time (alternating w/the other 540 lines in the next refresh).
 

conjur

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Potential for 1080p but that requires better displays (there's a thread back a few weeks with some sample downloads for 1080p video clips).

There's also 480p (which a progressive scan DVD player will produce) and FOX uses that on a few shows (EDTV...not HDTV).
 

SaltBoy

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Originally posted by: conjur
Potential for 1080p but that requires better displays (there's a thread back a few weeks with some sample downloads for 1080p video clips).

There's also 480p (which a progressive scan DVD player will produce) and FOX uses that on a few shows (EDTV...not HDTV).
Does a 1080p display even exist? I guess I should rephrase my original question -- how much would a 1080p 36" LCD HDTV cost?

 

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Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Originally posted by: conjur
Potential for 1080p but that requires better displays (there's a thread back a few weeks with some sample downloads for 1080p video clips).

There's also 480p (which a progressive scan DVD player will produce) and FOX uses that on a few shows (EDTV...not HDTV).
Does a 1080p display even exist? I guess I should rephrase my original question -- how much would a 1080p 36" LCD HDTV cost?
They do exist, just not in LCD form. Why are you so hooked on that medium? JVC has a D-ILA projector (LCoS I believe) that can do 1920x1080 progressive without any downsampling. Texas Instruments is developing/has brought to market (not sure) a new DLP chip that can handle 1080p I think.
 

SaltBoy

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Originally posted by: Howard

They do exist, just not in LCD form. Why are you so hooked on that medium? JVC has a D-ILA projector (LCoS I believe) that can do 1920x1080 progressive without any downsampling. Texas Instruments is developing/has brought to market (not sure) a new DLP chip that can handle 1080p I think.
I dunno why I'm crazed about the LCD. I was in Best Buy last night and I was mighty impressed with the 30" LCD HDTV they had. Put simply, the picture was the best out of all the displays that I saw. Then, I noticed that it had only a 720p resolution, not 1080i or 1080p. And of course, it was only 30" big, so it wasn't HUGE. I think a 36" would be perfect for my living room, but I'd want something that has the higher 1080 resolution.
 

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Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Originally posted by: Howard

They do exist, just not in LCD form. Why are you so hooked on that medium? JVC has a D-ILA projector (LCoS I believe) that can do 1920x1080 progressive without any downsampling. Texas Instruments is developing/has brought to market (not sure) a new DLP chip that can handle 1080p I think.
I dunno why I'm crazed about the LCD. I was in Best Buy last night and I was mighty impressed with the 30" LCD HDTV they had. Put simply, the picture was the best out of all the displays that I saw. Then, I noticed that it had only a 720p resolution, not 1080i or 1080p. And of course, it was only 30" big, so it wasn't HUGE. I think a 36" would be perfect for my living room, but I'd want something that has the higher 1080 resolution.

Honestly, I would recommend the 720
 

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Another thing you have to remember... those LCDs probably don't come with a HDTV tuner in them... so you'd have to either buy one or rent it from your cable co/satellite co. All HDTV boxes will convert to whatever your TV supports I believe.
To be quite honest with you... ANY HD whether it's 720p or 1080i will be a lot better than standard TV.
Why not consider a RPTV? Not enough space? It'd be cheaper and have the 1080i.
 

SaltBoy

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Originally posted by: Mutilator
Another thing you have to remember... those LCDs probably don't come with a HDTV tuner in them... so you'd have to either buy one or rent it from your cable co/satellite co. All HDTV boxes will convert to whatever your TV supports I believe.
To be quite honest with you... ANY HD whether it's 720p or 1080i will be a lot better than standard TV.
Why not consider a RPTV? Not enough space? It'd be cheaper and have the 1080i.
It's a space issue, but I also have to confess that I'm just dreaming right now. My wife won't let me get a new set until we move into our new home at the end of the year. On top of that, she wants us to get a piano before we get an HDTV. I'm fine with that, since I do all the piano playing in the family. :)

So, yup, I'm just dreaming for right now. But it's good to get this information into the open so that I can make an informed decision when the time comes. Sooner than later, I hope. :)

 

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Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Originally posted by: Mutilator
Another thing you have to remember... those LCDs probably don't come with a HDTV tuner in them... so you'd have to either buy one or rent it from your cable co/satellite co. All HDTV boxes will convert to whatever your TV supports I believe.
To be quite honest with you... ANY HD whether it's 720p or 1080i will be a lot better than standard TV.
Why not consider a RPTV? Not enough space? It'd be cheaper and have the 1080i.
It's a space issue, but I also have to confess that I'm just dreaming right now. My wife won't let me get a new set until we move into our new home at the end of the year. On top of that, she wants us to get a piano before we get an HDTV. I'm fine with that, since I do all the piano playing in the family. :)

So, yup, I'm just dreaming for right now. But it's good to get this information into the open so that I can make an informed decision when the time comes. Sooner than later, I hope. :)

Well then wait because by the time you move, the TV sets will be cheaper. ;)
 

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Those people that say LCDs give such a better picture than regular CRT RPTVs have no idea what they are talking about. Don't get my wrong, LCD tvs have some great features: small footprint, no convergence issues, bright, easy to move around, no burn in. But they are plagued with problems that you would not find in a CRT RPTV at half the price, namely poor black levels, dead pixels, lamps that need to be replaced (if they are replaceable), etc.

I've been considering an LCD tv for sometime, so I'm definitely not a CRT RPTV fanboy, the space issues are really important to me. However I'd probably go with a DLP RPTV over LCD unless I had issues with the deadly "rainbow" effect that some people experience with DLP RPTVs.

Bottom line: A properly calibrated quality CRT RPTV will give you a better picture than a properly calibrated LCD TV/DLP TV/Plasma TV, and at half the price.

It's just tough to see this at Best Buy, Circuit City, or even higher end stores like Tweeter. Most of the sets there are set up horribly.
 

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It's just tough to see this at Best Buy, Circuit City, or even higher end stores like Tweeter. Most of the sets there are set up horribly.

I cannot disagree with you there.
 

SaltBoy

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Originally posted by: benchiu
It's just tough to see this at Best Buy, Circuit City, or even higher end stores like Tweeter. Most of the sets there are set up horribly.
Maybe that's my problem -- all the TV's (except for that LCD) I saw are crappy in-store models. :)