How much working out is enough?

XMan

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Reason being, after 45 minutes on the treadmill and 15-20 minutes of weightlifting, I am wiped out. Is this enough, or should I be forcing myself to do more? I assume as I get into shape I will be able to go longer, but should I make myself do more in the initial stages? I've had my gym membership for three days, and so far it's been great. I've already started to notice some differences, but I want to be sure I'm not slowing myself down. My goal is to lose 120 pounds by 2002 . . . realistic? Or no?
 

jAcKeL

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thats quite a sum... but i guess it kinda depends on how much u weigh right now...
 

Zoson

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Umm, it depends on how old you are, but I'm 19 and these are the physical activities I do.
Monday, Friday I run two miles, and I try to do it in under 14 minutes.
Tuesday, Thursday I play volleyball for 4 hours with my team (this includes lots of cardio as well as pushups, situps, and bowups.)
and wednesday I sprint a mile and swim 4 laps in an olympic size pool.
-Zoson
P.S. depending how fast you're running and what kind of reps/weight you're doing you could get tired out more quickly. Also I've heard that it's unsafe to lose more than 4 pounds a week... I'll let you do the math. ;) Hope this helps.
 

abracadabra1

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hey there xerox man. losing 120lbs in a year is damn difficult. lifting weights and losing that weight is impossible. so what you're going to want to do is get yourself check w/ calipers for your body fat percentage. they have better tests, but the caliper test is quick, easy, and normally free (your gym should offer it, or a more comprehensive test). all you want is a ballpark figure. from there you can choose your goal accordingly. 20% body fat reduction in a year is possible, but look more in the range of 15%. that should be a good figure to shoot for. from then on you should be on your way to amazing body and great health and shape.

about the gym. start with weights. running before depletes your carb storages so by the time you get to the rack you're pooped and don't have the energy you need to lift those weights. so start w/ the weights. another advantage is that by the time you get to the treadmill you have already used most if not all immediate available supply for energy so your body starts breaking down fat (definately a good thing). this does make your running more difficult, however it also makes it much more worth your while.

when lifting, try and focus on cycling between muscle groups on different days. for example, do chest and triceps on monday, biceps and back on tuesday, rest wednesday (only cardio this day), biceps and triceps on thursday, legs and shoulders on friday (always make sure you stetch after doing legs otherwise you will not be able to walk the next day or two). you will be sore. sore is good. sore is very good. if you're not sore when you're starting off, then you're not working hard enough.

most importantly, watch what goes in your mouth! think of yourself as a high performance vehicle. do you want to put low grade motor oil in a high performance engine?? Heck no! apply the same basic principles to your body. lots of protein! lots of carbs (don't have carbs after 4 if you're focusing on losing weight), not too much fat! (no more than 25% of your diet, 20% should be around optimal). and remember the golden rule...you only lose what you use and burn.

this is what i mean:
John needs 2200 calories a day to sustain himself
he eats 2700 calories a day and burns 400 running for an hour at 7 mi/h
total amount of calories for john: 2700-400= 2300 (100 calories in excess)

although john is exercising, he still eats too much and will continue to gain weight because of his mouth. granted, this is a very simple explanation for complex metabolic processes. but you get the idea you must watch what you eat and watch how much you eat.
remember...just because you're losing weight doesn't mean you have to eat less in quatinty.
1 cantaloupe- about 100 calories
1 chocolate bar- 200+ calories

so make sure you watch how much and what you eat as well!

GL man!
 
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abra - you're plan calls for working biceps twice a week.

Xerox - I'm assuming you aren't doing the 45 minutes on the treadmill right before you weight lift? Like abra said, it's wiping your energy source out. Try doing cardio early in the morning after you wake up on an empty stomach, and weight lifting later on in the day, or if that's not possible, lift weights, then hit cardio after. And 45 minutes of cardio a day is plenty.
 

Zoson

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Lose weight fast? Atkins + 30 mins of cardio 2x/day.
hell, just on the "cheating" atkins (i had to diet w/ my sister to motivate her) i lost 20 lbs in 2 months.
Lifting weights while on atkins will cause you to bulk up muscle real fast, it's just like bodybuilding while drinking kreotene drinks. all that protien you're taking in will go right to your muscles... that will also make it extremely difficult for you to get a good cardio workout.
-Zoson
I hope I'm helpin'.
 

Mister T

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always lift before you do cardio.

BTW, losing 20% bodyfat in a year is easily possible.
I went from 45% bodyfat to 18% in 9 months. during my senior year of HS.
 

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Xerox, just watch out. I come from a very strong athletic background, and just from my personal experience, cutting out carbs can really put a pinch in your energy.

I'm not a very strong believer in Ketosis - basically what the atkins diet is. Ketosis is basically your body eating itself away. You deplete yourself of all starches and your body turns to itself for its energy. Sure you loose weight, but I don't see it as a longterm plan to be combined with as much exercise as you are currently doing.

There's no way to put this politely, but, since you want to drop 120 pounds, I'm assuming you are a pretty good sized guy. I would look into getting a personal trainer. I'm thinking that as much exercise as you are doing right now might be a little overboard for you at this time. You need to work yourself into things. Most serious runners only add 10% to their distance every week or two, you should do the same. Too much too fast leads to both physical and mental breakdown.

Couple that with the fact that you aren't eating any carbos, and you are going to be feeling like a slug.

As others have said, don't focus on wieght. Don't even think about weight. Use the mirror and your waistline as a judge. If you look and feel slimmer, then your plan is working. A 300 pound man could probably loose 25-40 pounds in water weight alone. That weight loss is bad weight loss. Keep your mind off of the scale. Concentrate on raising your metabolism and lowering your waist size. It all takes time.

Personally, I think that 2 pounds a week is reasonable as long as you are eating healthy and keeping up your workouts. You will eventually reach a point where you have a lot of trouble loosing weight. It's normal. Everyone has a "target weight" that their body tries to maintain. Once you hit your target weight, if you keep eating healthy, and keep working out, you'll maintain at that weight.

Once again, I suggest you seek out a trainer to help you setup a plan that works best for you, not for the rest of us.
 

XMan

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I guess I should have been more clear right off the bat. I guess what I am doing is what Zoson calls the cheating Atkins diet. I am basically just going off of framework suggested by my doctor; on the Akins diet, I don't believe you can eat fruit, I'm eating tons of it. I am also able to eat grains as well, so it's not so completely debilitating as the way Atkins does it.

I say I'd like to get down 120 pounds because at the moment I weigh 380. Reason it's 120 is, at 6'6", 260 was the weight at which I feel I looked and felt the best. It was my playing weight in high school - small forward, if you can believe it.

Also, I only do 45 minutes on the treadmill on the days that I do light (lower body) lifting. Usally leg curls (both forward and reverse) and some work on the ab machine, which I'm doing every day.

On heavy weight days, I warm up for 15 minutes on the recumbent bike, do a full set of upper body and abdominal weightlifting, do another 15 on the bike, another set, followed by a cool down on the bike.

Been at it less than a week, and I'm already seeing tangible results, as well as feeling a hell of a lot better.
 

Renob

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Go to www.bodyforlife.com and get the book and video they are free I have been doing this for a year I started of at 35% body fat and am down to 18% and feeling great fallow what they say and you will see the pounds fall off If you dont want to wait for them to send you the book all book stores have it. Plus when they send you the book they ask if you like it if you would donate 15 bucks to the make a wish foundation.......... It will change your life.
 

Fireman

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Listen to Renob.
BODY FOR LIFE WILL CHANGE YOU FOREVER!
As a fireman for a major metropolitan department, I work with 750 other firefighters and have seen them try all the diets including Atkins. A personal friend of mine wrote a paper on the Atkins diet using himself as a test subject. Yeah he lost weight, in four weeks he lost 13 pounds. BUT CHECK THIS OUT! He tested his body fat before and after, and 8 of the 13 pounds were LEAN MUSCLE MASS! Yikes! Needless to say, you don't want that. Also his bad cholesterol went up and his good cholesterol went down.
Go get the book Body for Life by Bill Phillips. It's all about sensible eating and working out right. Your cardio days are 20 minutes, no more. I am currently living the Body for Life method and have seen excellant gains in muscle mass and lowered body fat. I just watched it take 26 pounds off one of my best friends in 3 months. He looks, and feels better than he has in a long time. No fads, no pills, just a new understanding of how your bodys metabolism works, and how not to spend any more time in the gym than you need to. Plus if you like to eat, this is for you.
 

soapdish

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good posts renob and fireman.


I always mix my workouts up. I do 15-20 minutes cardio on a stairmaster (Kicks my arse fierce), take a 20 minute break, then start lifting. I'll do whats called a pyramid lifting exercise (usually 5-7) and then hit the showers.

Works for me.


Atkins and other diets help you lose weight, but you lose the wrong type of weight. Plus I think that within 15 years they will have gathered enough evidence to determine long term effects of the fad diets. I think it will be bad. Do you want to risk being a statistic?

My best 2 - U!
 

dawheat

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exercising is always a good part of getting in shape, but the most important thing is what goes into your mouth.

It always boggles me when people shovel down a dozen cookies because they're "fat-free". You're still shoveling down calories which if unused, will eventually be turned into fat.
 

shiznut123

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im 13 and here are is my workout
everyday-400 situps(100stop, another 100 stop, another, and another)
50 pushups.
monday/Friday- bench 60 pounds 40 times
saturday- run 1 mile under 7 min
i have equipment in my home so i dont need to go to the gym.
im 5'9, 140 pounds, 11% body fat.
 

shiznut123

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i really am.
im not joking
edit: is started when i was 10 when i was watching my dad work out. i wanted to lose that 2 inch bulge on my waist
 

dopcombo

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Join the military.

I lost 20 kilograms in 10 weeks :)
went from 88 kg to 69.....
not sure what that is in pounds....but if the conversion is 2.2X i believe that is about 45 pounds.

hehe...

On a more serious note, i think the most important thing about losing fat, building muscle and getting more heart and lung activity... is to just get up and do it.
Don't worry too much about over-exerting or not exercising enough, you'll soon settle into a rhythm that works for you.

My worst habit is whenever i start on one of these things, i end up becoming lazy.
Then everything i did before would go to waste. Just keep at it, and things will change :)

And i believe it helps if u have inspiration. Someone who cheers u instead of nagging u. So pay that personal trainer :p
 

T4NNER

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Bootcamp gets you in relatively good shape, but once your out... it's up to you to maintain it. PT sucks, and the only way to remain strong, healthy, and fit, is to eat right, and exercise moderately.

Too many people join the military and get fatter. It's a shame to look at the guy next to you during graduation and notice that he's fatter than before. Kinda takes the pride out of the accomplishment :(
 

cyclistca

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Good show Xerox Man. Sounds like your on the right track.

shiznut123 I think what soapdish ment is it's a lot easier to keep that slim figure when your younger. I have always been very active but I've found since I hit 30 that it's getting harder and harder to stay slim. Lets see if your still 11% in 20 years ;).
 

MuffD

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It depends on your body.
My workout schedule is a 4 day on 2 day off regimen. I weight train everyday and also do cardio (lifecycle) for 45-60 minutes ea. time to stay trim. You also want to watch what you eat as well. I eat around 5-6 times a day (small portions of course)
 

Nelmster

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Xerox,

Many people here have posted excellent suggestions. I have some that I would like to give, as well.

I taught strength training, tumbling, gymnastics, and aerobics at Texas A&M University for 3 years while I was getting my Master's. Please understand that I'm not going for 'oooh' and 'ahhhh' - I'm just trying to get some credibility for the following suggestion. Go to T-Mag, click on "Previous Issues", start with Issue Number 1, and START READING and LEARNING.

Why was I seeking credibility? Simple. After teaching at A&M for 3 years, going to seminars, etc., someone introduced me to the T-mag site. I have literally learned more there about weight loss, strength training, and muscular hypertrophy than I have in many seminars and textbooks. The first weekend I found that site, I read for FOURTEEN hours! (Wife wasn't too happy on that one!) Amazingly, after that weekend, I hadn't even read 20% of the site. I am not exagerrating with any of these numbers!

Well, there you go. The site is run by and receives contributions from some of the world's greatest strength and Olympic coaches. There are things there for everyone!

Happy reading!
 

Impact55

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If you want to lose weight do more sets with less reps, I personally was looking to gain muscle which means gaining weight. It really feels great after working out for a while, make sure you keep at it and try to make your workout fun, or else you'll end up like all the other "New Year's Resolution" people. I shouldn't be talking though because I was working out for 10 months and then just quit for the last 2 weeks, but I will start tommorow! ;) Well I'm playing sports so it's not that bad. Also you will find out there is no real good ab machines, I reccommend the ab slide , I have one and it ACTUALLY works even though it is sold on an infomercial! :)