How much extra in taxes would you pay to eliminate poverty?

[Zaap]

I don't think a person should really look at anything that comes from ATPN as a reflection of the US.
Most of the peeps here are introverts who have sheltered themselves away from the outside world

Psst. you generally come off as one of the biggest shut-ins on here, so I'm not sure you have a lot of room to talk. Just a friendly hint.

 

[BoberFett]

When you've got people ranting about how overtaxed they are in one of the least taxed nations in the developed world that says something.

Funny, my response was an eye roll too! I wonder if for the same reasons.

I highly doubt it.

 

[fskimospy]

^ So there you have it folks, the dimshit lib who thinks "Temecula" (median income 80k) qualifies as a slum that he's had to "do time in." And of course this is him picking ONE location from a list and trying to shift the focus to it, rather than deal with the whole list that disproved him so badly I'm still embarrassed for him.

LOL! And this dimwit accuses others of leading a sheltered life?

Too funny!

It is hilarious that you having embarrassed yourself so throughly you would of course try to spin it as exactly the opposite. You've been lying and spinning and sucking the big government teat for so long that it's actually clearly affected your mental health, as even the quality of your spin has gone WAY downhill. You're not quite at McOwned levels of delusion, but it's not too far off.

It takes an amazing amount of stupidity to try and argue that someone was cherry picking from your cherry picked list. Just how dumb are you? Your list not only had the problem of it just being you picking cities capreciously, but it also suffers from reverse causation. I would be surprised if you even knew what that was.

I will renew my request. Try and argue for your point that government policy can't alleviate poverty and use evidence to do so. When can I expect this? By the way if you would like to argue for other list using actual empirical evidence I'll look forward to that too.

My guess? You will continue to rant, trying to substitute bluster for a coherent argument. It's sort of your thing.

 

[fskimospy]

I highly doubt it.

Read the thread a bit more and I have a feeling you will come around.

 

[Svnla]

How much have we spent on the "war on poverty" since 1960's? I believe it is a few TRILLION dollars (from $15T on the low end and $22T on the high end) and is still going strong.

Do ya'll think it worked? Be the judge.

 

[Zaap]

It takes an amazing amount of stupidity to try and argue that someone was cherry picking from your cherry picked list. Just how dumb are you? Your list not only had the problem of it just being you picking cities capreciously, but it also suffers from reverse causation. I would be surprised if you even knew what that was.

Keep spinning that it was "My list" and not one compiled from the state capital. You of course did such a bang up job of disproving them- oh wait, that's right, no you didn't! You just ranted and raved and spun and told more lies about how you'd actually been to the places on the list which clearly you hadn't.

I will renew my request. Try and argue blah blah blah spin spin spin spin spin...

Here's a clue eskiMcOwned- read the thread title. Try comprehending it. THAT'S the subject, not any of your idiotic deflection, smoke-screening, blatantly lying, and spinning because you can't actually address the topic and so have to try and change the subject. No one really falls for your antics anymore, you've gotten really weak with them since the culmination of all your spinning and government bootlicking has affected your mental state.

My recommendation would be take a break for a while before you really lose all grip, but I know you won't heed it.

 

[fskimospy]

Keep spinning that it was "My list" and not one compiled from the state capital. You of course did such a bang up job of disproving them- oh wait, that's right, no you didn't! You just ranted and raved and spun and told more lies about how you'd actually been to the places on the list which clearly you hadn't.

You don't even seem to understand the problem, lol. This is the dunning-Krueger effect in action. The truly incompetent don't even know that they are incompetent.

Do you honestly not understand why just listing cities doesn't do anything? It's not comprehensive, it doesn't control for other variables, it doesn't control for varging levels of liberalism or conservatism, it doesn't control for reverse causation, etc. etc.

I'm sorry that people pointing out your incompetence makes you so mad. That's for you to deal with though.

Here's a clue eskiMcOwned- read the thread title. Try comprehending it. THAT'S the subject, not any of your idiotic deflection, smoke-screening, blatantly lying, and spinning because you can't actually address the topic and so have to try and change the subject. No one really falls for your antics anymore, you've gotten really weak with them since the culmination of all your spinning and government bootlicking has affected your mental state.

My recommendation would be take a break for a while before you really lose all grip, but I know you won't heed it.

So Im going to take that as an admission that you can't back up anything you said. Like I said before, you resort to ranting and bluster whenever you're called out. No shock here.

 

[alcoholbob]

Only one system guarantees relative equality for the majority of the people outside of the elite. You are gonna have to ask Putin about the details.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Poverty exist because of the greedy rich who exploit those less fortunate. We need to tax the greedy rich more and share the wealth that belongs to all of society.

Vladimir Lenin is that you?

 

[alcoholbob]

Vladimir Lenin is that you?

Haha, as if just transferring government paper to poor people makes them wealthy. The only thing that guarantees is fuel for the fire to keep warm and something to wipe your butt with.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Psst. you generally come off as one of the biggest shut-ins on here, so I'm not sure you have a lot of room to talk. Just a friendly hint.

I have been a shut-in for a couple of years, I've just recently started getting back to work.
I'm still technically disabled
I had a little fight with cancer that set me back
I got almost 50 years experience on the outside and of course even being shut in doesn't stop all my friends and family from dropping in
I can't stand it stuck inside, I'm really quite the outdoors kinda guy


Out at one of the farms

Hauling gravel, bro does the driving, I jump into the payloader and load

Roofing

About to jump in the forklift yesterday at the lumberyard I work at

There is a shitload of pics I've posted here already to do with all the hunting, dog training, etc too
If disabled over 50 cancer guy can do it, most peeps here should be able too eh
How about you Zaap? any pics?

 

[Subyman]

Everyone who is poor is just a lazy slob and so are their children.





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Never said it was the only reason dummy.

 

[BoberFett]

Read the thread a bit more and I have a feeling you will come around.

My eyeroll was at you.

 

[Blanky]

I said 10 but I really don't know what the definition of poverty is and what eliminating it looks like.

EDIT: Boberfett's first post is right. Eliminate, it gets redefined.

 

[fskimospy]

My eyeroll was at you.

Oh I know, but once you read the ridiculous things people are saying in this thread it seems pretty obvious that you would join me in rolling my eyes at this ridiculousness. Don't worry, I can wait!

 

[Greenman]

Having both lived and worked in very poor areas my guess is that it either wasn't that poor or you missed a lot of the problems. Very poor buildings are usually filled with bugs you can't get rid of no matter how clean you are. Their plumbing doesn't work right. You end up with random leaks through your ceiling. Nobody fixes things that break. That "free" health care requires you to wait for hours and hours just to be ignored.

People also mistake the presence of a TV for a lack of poverty. TVs have decreased dramatically in price over the last 40 years. Even large ones are pretty low in cost. The other things that families need like food, health care, etc have not gotten any cheaper.

If people think that living in those conditions is so great, that option is available to you, so reach out and take it! Lets see how long you last in "paradise" before you are freaking out about how bad your life is.

Hunters Point in San Francisco. I was the guy that ran the remodeling of a bunch of the units.
Yes, they had bugs. Many units were absolutely infested with roaches. The reason some of them were so infested is that they were never cleaned. If you spill a bowl of chilly on the carpet and proceed to walk through rather than clean it up, roaches are to be expected.

The part about paradise was that these folks got everything nearly free. The ones that chose to live well had clean comfortable homes. The others, not so much.

 

[fskimospy]

Hunters Point in San Francisco. I was the guy that ran the remodeling of a bunch of the units.
Yes, they had bugs. Many units were absolutely infested with roaches. The reason some of them were so infested is that they were never cleaned. If you spill a bowl of chilly on the carpet and proceed to walk through rather than clean it up, roaches are to be expected.

The part about paradise was that these folks got everything nearly free. The ones that chose to live well had clean comfortable homes. The others, not so much.

They will have roaches no matter what. I lived in a building in a very poor neighborhood and I NEVER left any food out. Ever. Still constantly had to battle bugs. Still had shitty plumbing. Still had leaking ceilings, etc. So maybe they had something to complain about?

I would say you should look at what "free" life really looks like. It's not pretty. I would honestly challenge anyone who thinks they have it so easy to try and live under those constraints for a few months. I think you will come back singing a different tune.

 

[Bitek]

I said 10 but I really don't know what the definition of poverty is and what eliminating it looks like.

EDIT: Boberfett's first post is right. Eliminate, it gets redefined.

I think there is some truth to this. I did some peace corp type work back when in rural mexico. I was building latrines for people who literally did not have a hole to piss in. The depths of poverty there was nothing like you would find in the us. Campgrounds in the us are more nicely appointed than the place I stayed.

Strangely, the number of satellite dishes and TVs badly outnumbered the latrines in this village. Real insight into people's priorities.

 

[smackababy]

I think there is done truth to this. I did some peace corp type work back when in rural mexico. I was building latrines for people who literally did not have a hole to piss in. The depths of poverty there was nothing like you would find in the us. Campgrounds in the us are more nicely appointed than the place I stayed.

Strangely, the number of satellite dishes and TVs badly outnumbered the latrines in this village. Real insight into people's priorities.

I can shit behind the house, in the weeds. I can't watch Mexico lose against US in soccer without a satellite dish!


How much extra would I pay? Not a single dime. If you think the money we already pay in taxes isn't mismanaged and squandered, and throwing more money at the "problem" will do anything other than build a few housing projects for slum lords in districts needing someone to vote for them, you don't understand US politics.

 

[Bitek]

I can shit behind the house, in the weeds. I can't watch Mexico lose against US in soccer without a satellite dish!


How much extra would I pay? Not a single dime. If you think the money we already pay in taxes isn't mismanaged and squandered, and throwing more money at the "problem" will do anything other than build a few housing projects for slum lords in districts needing someone to vote for them, you don't understand US politics.

Technically they took dumps in the front yard.

Bit mindblowing walking by a guy's house and having a conversation while he's laying a deuce.

His neighbor was chopping up a dead cow on the front porch. Few days later another guy was bludgeoning a pig to death with a hammer. Def was not in America anymore...

 

[fskimospy]

I can shit behind the house, in the weeds. I can't watch Mexico lose against US in soccer without a satellite dish!


How much extra would I pay? Not a single dime. If you think the money we already pay in taxes isn't mismanaged and squandered, and throwing more money at the "problem" will do anything other than build a few housing projects for slum lords in districts needing someone to vote for them, you don't understand US politics.

So if you think all our tax money is wasted what is an appropriate level of taxation?

 

[DrDoug]

Nothing says IGMFY louder than the results of this poll...lol!

 

[SparkyJJO]

Nothing says IGMFY louder than the results of this poll...lol!

Higher taxes won't eliminate poverty. At best it'll push everyone else down into it. Aside from the elites a.k.a. politicians that, contrary to your belief, do NOT have your or the poor's best interests in mind in the slightest.

 

[compuwiz1]

Nothing says IGMFY louder than the results of this poll...lol!

Taxes have been increased before. It's the majority of the poor people's fault, not the hard working tax paying citizens. This is not the answer, unless you're a libtard, then of course it is, will always be, and no tax increases will ever be enough. Sick of socialist bastards who think this way. Let's start by culling all the able bodied welfare recipients and create community service jobs for them to do. Train them to do something and make them understand that in order to eat, you must work. Don't show up, no food for you. No free lunch...no free rent...no free phones. If you're gonna get, you must go. The Obama administration is the worst I've ever seen at enabling this shit. The only exemptions should be those with with real disabilities and the elderly. Again, people who choose not to pull their own share of the load are not entitled to what I have earned.

 

[fskimospy]

Higher taxes won't eliminate poverty. At best it'll push everyone else down into it. Aside from the elites a.k.a. politicians that, contrary to your belief, do NOT have your or the poor's best interests in mind in the slightest.

What is your empirical basis for this?