How much does it cost? Sorry, that's classified.

[chucky2]

I like clean water, national parks that are nature parks, not parking lots, and other things that Gov is actually good at keeping/delivering. You could actually pick many good examples of Gov needing to be chopped back, or just argue for across the board cuts to actually get the Gov in parity with tax revenues, which I'd be 110% behind, but instead you want the Gov disbanded and for 'the free market' to magically deliver things that 'the free market' will not deliver - or, at least, deliver properly - because there is no financial incentive to do so.

In short: You're delusional.

Chuck

 

[Juror No. 8]

I like clean water, national parks that are nature parks, not parking lots, and other things that Gov is actually good at keeping/delivering.

You mean, you want the government to force others to provide you with clean water, national parks, and other "free" stuff. You don't want to have to pay for these things yourself, you want them provided to you at the expense of others, just as a parasite would.

You could actually pick many good examples of Gov needing to be chopped back, or just argue for across the board cuts to actually get the Gov in parity with tax revenues, which I'd be 110% behind, but instead you want the Gov disbanded and for 'the free market' to magically deliver things that 'the free market' will not deliver - or, at least, deliver properly - because there is no financial incentive to do so.

Translation:

"Private companies won't give me the things I demand at the prices I dictate, therefore I support the creation of a nationalized Mafia extortion racket called "government" that will force others to pay for the things I want at the prices I want to pay! If anyone resists, we'll just lock them in a dungeon and throw away the key and/or kill them! I must have what I want!"

In short: You're delusional.

Chuck

Says the guy who dedicates his life to lording over others and using government force to provide him with the things he demands.

LOL.

"I want my national parks! Waaaa! Nature can only be provided by government!"

LOL!

 

[chucky2]

Look, I don't want my windows washed, here's a $5, try and take it easy alright, it's getting cold out here...

 

[Juror No. 8]

Look, I don't want my windows washed, here's a $5, try and take it easy alright, it's getting cold out here...

Translation:

"I can't address any of your arguments intelligently. My religion of government worship doesn't allow for critical, independent thought. So I'll just avoid the subject altogether by pretending you are homeless."

Does that about cover it?

 

[chucky2]

You know, I dont post a massive amount in P&N. Some days a post frequently, others I'm not here at all. But you'd think with my post history, you'd know what you're spewing here is insane about me. Try doing a search on relevant threads, maybe broaden your horizons a little. And stay away from my windows please, they're clean enough. Keep the fiver...

 

[Juror No. 8]

You know, I dont post a massive amount in P&N. Some days a post frequently, others I'm not here at all. But you'd think with my post history, you'd know what you're spewing here is insane about me. Try doing a search on relevant threads, maybe broaden your horizons a little. And stay away from my windows please, they're clean enough. Keep the fiver...

I don't need to read your entire posting history to know that you are a follower of the government worship religion. When I ask you why government is absolutely necessary, all you can do is sound like a Christian.

"But, but, but... there has to be a government! There just does! Everybody says so! You just need to have faith! If you don't believe in government, you're going to hell/must be delusional!"

Another faith-based imbecile without any cranial synapses of your own to rub together.

 

[lotus503]

I simply cannot believe someone is actually honestly thinking that we should turn over all aspects of what Gov handles right now to a free market system without Gov interfernce. It boggles the mind anyone could be that delusional.

JN8, do you like having heavy metals in your drinking water because the free market business decided it couldn't hit earnings forecast if they spent on the advanced filtering system they needed? No forests or conservation areas because the free market CEO's in the area decided that the forest with 800 year old trees would yield great wood and make a fine industrial park? How about having to pay a stoplight fee for each stoplight you have the pleasure of waiting at because the free market CEO that has a monopoly on the road system had his folks figure out how to bilk the users for more money?

You might look at US history some where large and powerful Corp operating in what was pretty much a free market then became so large and powerful, they were god. Granted we have that now still to some degree, but at least we have a Gov in theory standing up to them in some way. It's laughable to think when the free market water company who's not delivering quality water that another water company is going to come around, dig up every street/alley in the muni, drop in new lines, buy some place to build a new water plant, and somehow then after all that's done, compete with the current corrupt water plant. Get F'ing real dude.

You make good points, juror 8 and his ayn rand utopia is just as unattainable as a liberal socialist utopia.

He hides behind the front that you can't prove what he says is wrong. And to a degree he is right unless you consider sociology and human nature.

The idea that "free market only" society solves all issues is a great theory with disastrous real works implications.

It's contrary to the proven notion that for a society to function you have to have a baseline to which it's citizens adhere.

There are many many things wrong with our government, but it's not solved by unfettered free market and privatization of all goods and services.

But you will never prove him wrong because fantasy Utopias are only contradictory to sociology and human nature.

 

[lotus503]

I don't need to read your entire posting history to know that you are a follower of the government worship religion. When I ask you why government is absolutely necessary, all you can do is sound like a Christian.

"But, but, but... there has to be a government! There just does! Everybody says so! You just need to have faith! If you don't believe in government, you're going to hell/must be delusional!"

Another faith-based imbecile without any cranial synapses of your own to rub together.

Government is a requirement of modern society. Prove it's not, since your claim is that it's not necessary prove it.

 

[Juror No. 8]

Government is a requirement of modern society. Prove it's not, since your claim is that it's not necessary prove it.

LOL, you want me to prove a negative. How brilliant. I challenge you to prove that vampires don't exist.

What specifically makes government a requirement of modern society? What specific service or function does government provide that can't be provided outside the existence of government?

 

[Juror No. 8]

The idea that "free market only" society solves all issues is a great theory with disastrous real works implications.

Likewise, the idea that a "government only" society solves all issues is a great theory with disastrous real works implications, namely communist China, Nazi Germany, and Soviet Russia. 100+ million killed during just the 20th Century alone.

It's contrary to the proven notion that for a society to function you have to have a baseline to which it's citizens adhere.

What baseline? You mean morality?

How is morality dependent on government?

There are many many things wrong with our government, but it's not solved by unfettered free market and privatization of all goods and services.

And the things that are inherently wrong with government can't be solved by government either.

But you will never prove him wrong because fantasy Utopias are only contradictory to sociology and human nature.

LOL. How can you be certain you truly understand sociology and human nature? Everything you learned about it was taught to you within a controlled, monopolistic system. You may as well have been born inside the walls of a prison and your understanding of human nature is only as good as that of a slave.

 

[chucky2]

You make good points, juror 8 and his ayn rand utopia is just as unattainable as a liberal socialist utopia. snip

What's insane is he's actually accusing me of being a stooge for Big Gov. That's.....insanity right there...

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

JN8, lets maybe try to cut through the back and forth with an example. Pick an example of something the Gov provides right now and tell us how the free market, without any Gov controls (since it seems you don't want those to exist), would deliver it better. Water is a good one, since everyone needs it, and most of it is Gov provided.

Chuck