How much do I get from a dividend?

erwin1978

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I bought some TELOZ and realized they pay out a ~12% dividend. Someone please explain to me how much I get from a dividend. How is it calculated? What does record date and ex-dividend mean? I suspect record date means in order to qualify for the dividend payout I need to own the company on or before the specified date?
 

jakedeez

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TELOZ has been paying on a quartly basis, and over the last year they paid $2.73825/share... (including the x-div 12/27/07) And yes you have to buy the stock by the ex-date, ot xdividend date, and hold it through the record date (usually three days later (actually you only have to hold in on the record date, but since stock trades usually clear in three days you have to own three days before))

If you own shares now, you will get a payment on Jan 10 of $0.685/share, and you get another dividend aprox every four months assuming they keep paying the dividend.
 

erwin1978

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Originally posted by: jakedeez
TELOZ has been paying on a quartly basis, and over the last year they paid $2.73825/share... (including the x-div 12/27/07) And yes you have to buy the stock by the ex-date, ot xdividend date, and hold it through the record date (usually three days later (actually you only have to hold in on the record date, but since stock trades usually clear in three days you have to own three days before))

If you own shares now, you will get a payment on Jan 10 of $0.685/share, and you get another dividend aprox every four months assuming they keep paying the dividend.


How do I find out the ex-date? This dividend payout seems like a nice strategy to earn easy money. So I only need to own a stock three days prior to the record date you say.
 

kranky

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Originally posted by: erwin1978
How do I find out the ex-date? This dividend payout seems like a nice strategy to earn easy money. So I only need to own a stock three days prior to the record date you say.

Actually, buying a stock just before the ex-dividend date is an easy way to increase your taxes with no corresponding benefit.
 

Slew Foot

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Originally posted by: erwin1978
Originally posted by: jakedeez
TELOZ has been paying on a quartly basis, and over the last year they paid $2.73825/share... (including the x-div 12/27/07) And yes you have to buy the stock by the ex-date, ot xdividend date, and hold it through the record date (usually three days later (actually you only have to hold in on the record date, but since stock trades usually clear in three days you have to own three days before))

If you own shares now, you will get a payment on Jan 10 of $0.685/share, and you get another dividend aprox every four months assuming they keep paying the dividend.


How do I find out the ex-date? This dividend payout seems like a nice strategy to earn easy money. So I only need to own a stock three days prior to the record date you say.

Except that the stock price falls by the amount of the dividend payout, reducing your capital and giving you taxable income instead.
 

Epic Fail

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Originally posted by: erwin1978
Originally posted by: jakedeez
TELOZ has been paying on a quartly basis, and over the last year they paid $2.73825/share... (including the x-div 12/27/07) And yes you have to buy the stock by the ex-date, ot xdividend date, and hold it through the record date (usually three days later (actually you only have to hold in on the record date, but since stock trades usually clear in three days you have to own three days before))

If you own shares now, you will get a payment on Jan 10 of $0.685/share, and you get another dividend aprox every four months assuming they keep paying the dividend.


How do I find out the ex-date? This dividend payout seems like a nice strategy to earn easy money. So I only need to own a stock three days prior to the record date you say.

You sir are a genius, you just revolutionized how we should invest.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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If you're remotely serious and the 70k/day threads were just trying to show off or something, grab some books at a local store like Borders or B&N. Do some basic reading, get exposed to all the terminology, learn about some theories, establish some rules for your own investments to limit your risks to what you can afford to lose, etc. and as anything else, be prepared to learn a lot.
 

Dacalo

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Originally posted by: erwin1978
Originally posted by: jakedeez
TELOZ has been paying on a quartly basis, and over the last year they paid $2.73825/share... (including the x-div 12/27/07) And yes you have to buy the stock by the ex-date, ot xdividend date, and hold it through the record date (usually three days later (actually you only have to hold in on the record date, but since stock trades usually clear in three days you have to own three days before))

If you own shares now, you will get a payment on Jan 10 of $0.685/share, and you get another dividend aprox every four months assuming they keep paying the dividend.


How do I find out the ex-date? This dividend payout seems like a nice strategy to earn easy money. So I only need to own a stock three days prior to the record date you say.

Ahahahahah!

You do know dividends are taken into the stock's price after payout right?
 

hiromizu

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Erwin, I recommend you read Greenblatt's Little blue book that beats the market. It is a terrific introduction into the world of value investing - where all successful investors practice a variation of this regime. What you are exercising is not investing, but rather a risky venture - day trading - where most people lose money. Read it and thank me 5 years later. Now is an interesting time to learn and practice these concepts.
 

jakedeez

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Originally posted by: erwin1978
Originally posted by: jakedeez
TELOZ has been paying on a quartly basis, and over the last year they paid $2.73825/share... (including the x-div 12/27/07) And yes you have to buy the stock by the ex-date, ot xdividend date, and hold it through the record date (usually three days later (actually you only have to hold in on the record date, but since stock trades usually clear in three days you have to own three days before))

If you own shares now, you will get a payment on Jan 10 of $0.685/share, and you get another dividend aprox every four months assuming they keep paying the dividend.


How do I find out the ex-date? This dividend payout seems like a nice strategy to earn easy money. So I only need to own a stock three days prior to the record date you say.

Yahoo finance if you don't have an account with a brokerage... they don't have long term schedules, but usually follow a similar pattern year over year.... and despite everyone telling you that its a bad way to invest since the price of the stock will often open down by the value of the dividend, this isn't really such a one sided issue. Stocks, esp large caps often have DRIPS (div reinvestment programs) which means that over the long term dividends will generate some degree of buying pressure. Also there is the fact that stocks, especially ones that have long and solid histories tend to go up, thus, dividends are a major component of a portfolio. While some stocks are very high in price and may not be as high as they are today if they paid div (think BRKA/B) it is also hard to imagine that if say, XOM had never paid a dividend there stock would be worth some much higher value based on them simply holding cash. Dividends come in many flavors, but basically you have two forms...

1. A Company has grown large enough that they believe that further investment in their business model of the amount they pay out in dividends would experience significantly reduced marginal returns, thus they decide to return capital.

2. A financial or realestate based company that throws off an income stream as a major component of their business model. (REITs, Banks, Brokers ect...)

The first may come down more based on the payout, since it is a value play based on their ability to generate income by investing in their business. Conversly if they cut a dividend rate, their stock may not be as hurt, because it could be viewed as them deciding to reinvest in their business.

The second would be less likely to go down with a dividend payment, as a major part of their business model is generating an income stream... rather then investing in business ventures themselves... although they can also be value plays, and do invest, they do it to generate income, thus their cutting of a dividend would have a more dramatic effect on their per share price.

All in all, investing for dividends is not a bad idea, there are many funds that do just that, however buying a stock on the day it goes xdiv, then selling it the next day is a very difficult strategy to do well and requires very sophisticated analysis. I would suggest if you are interested in a dividend strategy, look for issues with strong value and dividends and hold them for more then a day.
 

erwin1978

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Dacalo: "You do know dividends are taken into the stock's price after payout right?"

Slew Foot: "Except that the stock price falls by the amount of the dividend payout, reducing your capital and giving you taxable income instead. "

kranky: "Actually, buying a stock just before the ex-dividend date is an easy way to increase your taxes with no corresponding benefit. "


Please explain what that all means.

Regarding my TELOZ investment, on 12/26, the same day I posted this topic, the price went up ~11%. I would've been happy had I done my research sooner coz the following day was the ex-dividend date and the price went down to the same level two days prior. Was this a text book mistake or what. My question is why did the stock go up the day before the ex-dividend date. Didn't you have to buy it 4 days prior to account for the settlement period?
 

Paddington

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You really shouldn't be buying any stocks, if you don't at least know how dividends work, and how the stock prices tend to fluctuate around the dividend dates.

It's like stepping out on to a baseball field, and not knowing if you should run to first or third, let alone what to do with the club in your hands.