How much difference would 65 days make?

[MtnMan]

65 days elapsed from the time the CDC raised the alarm about COVID-19 until cheeto brain got the fucking message.

• The CDC issued its first warning on Jan 8.
• Trump held campaign rallies on Jan 9, Jan 14, Jan 28, Jan 30, Feb 10, Feb 19, Feb 20, Feb 21, & Feb 28.
• He golfed on Jan 18, Jan 19, Feb 1, Feb 15, Mar 7 & Mar 8.
• The first time he admitted the coronavirus might be a problem was March 13.

How long after March 13 did he actually do something? How much better off would the country be if this sorry excuse for a human had paid attention and at least started to prepare?

 

[Indus]

65 days making ventilators and n95 masks?

We probably wouldn't be short now.

 

[cytg111]

65 days elapsed from the time the CDC raised the alarm about COVID-19 until cheeto brain got the fucking message.

• The CDC issued its first warning on Jan 8.
• Trump held campaign rallies on Jan 9, Jan 14, Jan 28, Jan 30, Feb 10, Feb 19, Feb 20, Feb 21, & Feb 28.
• He golfed on Jan 18, Jan 19, Feb 1, Feb 15, Mar 7 & Mar 8.
• The first time he admitted the coronavirus might be a problem was March 13.

How long after March 13 did he actually do something? How much better off would the country be if this sorry excuse for a human had paid attention and at least started to prepare?

You already had the recipe, we all saw what measures China was taking WELL before it had taken root in the west. All anyone had to do was to act quick decisive and in force. Italy and Spain are feeling the pain too now, cause clowns are at the helm there too (thats the problem with populist politicians, all they think about is ratings...). Some other parts of Europe have been somewhat more competent and serious talks about easing restrictions just a tad post Easter some time.

 

[dank69]

In the movies, James Bond always saves the world from disaster so it was reasonable not to prepare for a disaster.

 

[compuwiz1]

China was not honest and still is not. But anyway, the whole of everyone in Congress, including most Americans, were focused on the impeachment inquiry, which started Sept 24, 2019, then a trial, then the acquittal, which happened in early Feb. The blame for this doesn't fall on one person. And, even if, now what? What needs to be done is being done, as far as I can see. I don't think we could have dodged this. Travel from China was stopped on Jan 24th, if I recall.

 

[IronWing]

Odd, even this forum had a virus thread running by Jan 20th. The “impeachment distracted us” excuse is a poor excuse indeed.

 

[compuwiz1]

Odd, even this forum had a virus thread running by Jan 20th. The “impeachment distracted us” excuse is a poor excuse indeed.

There was more to it than that. Something the MSM didn't report, is we tried to send people over to China in January to try and do some research and assess the situation and our people were denied entry. I don't recall where I read or heard it, so I'll have to look later and I'm leaving from work soon.

 

[ElFenix]

Travel from China was stopped on Jan 24th, if I recall.

Travel from China wasn't stopped.

 

[IronWing]

Travel from China wasn't stopped.

That is correct. I know first hand because Chinese dealers poured into Tucson for the mineral shows in early February. Many got stuck in the US because the airlines stopped flying to China of their own accord.

 

[ElFenix]

There was more to it than that. Something the MSM didn't report, is we tried to send people over to China in January to try and do some research and assess the situation and our people were denied entry. I don't recall where I read or heard it, so I'll have to look later and I'm leaving from work soon.

Only fringe outlets like the New York Times reported it

C.D.C. and W.H.O. Offers to Help China Have Been Ignored for Weeks (Published 2020)

Privately, Chinese doctors say they need outside expertise. But Beijing, without saying why, has shown no interest so far.

www.nytimes.com

 

[HomerJS]

65 days elapsed from the time the CDC raised the alarm about COVID-19 until cheeto brain got the fucking message.

• The CDC issued its first warning on Jan 8.
• Trump held campaign rallies on Jan 9, Jan 14, Jan 28, Jan 30, Feb 10, Feb 19, Feb 20, Feb 21, & Feb 28.
• He golfed on Jan 18, Jan 19, Feb 1, Feb 15, Mar 7 & Mar 8.
• The first time he admitted the coronavirus might be a problem was March 13.

How long after March 13 did he actually do something? How much better off would the country be if this sorry excuse for a human had paid attention and at least started to prepare?

According to some here he did a great job through those weeks.

 

[dank69]

Only fringe outlets like the New York Times reported it

C.D.C. and W.H.O. Offers to Help China Have Been Ignored for Weeks (Published 2020)

Privately, Chinese doctors say they need outside expertise. But Beijing, without saying why, has shown no interest so far.

www.nytimes.com

Need a source that isn't fake news.

 

[esquared]

Need a source that isn't fake news.

Forget the Jan 8th date.
South Korea and the US both had their first coronavirus case on Jan19th or 20th.
We went in an opposite direction from South Korea.
Look at what they did and how they flattened the curve.
Testing, testing testing, testing, testing.

Yes, we have over 6X the population but we also have more resources than
they do. We could have been at a comparable stage with South Korea.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 138,024,148 Cases and 2,972,039 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

We have 24X the number of cases they do and going up.
We have almost 26X the deaths and still going up.

Infracted rate 3.78X higher
US -738/million people
SK- 195/million people

Death rate is 6X higher
US- 18/million people
SK- 3/million people

Denial, ignorance and terrible leadership made this happen.
We could have been just like South Korea with some effort.
Instead, we are probably going to lead the world in ...................................................

 

[Vic]

China was not honest and still is not. But anyway, the whole of everyone in Congress, including most Americans, were focused on the impeachment inquiry, which started Sept 24, 2019, then a trial, then the acquittal, which happened in early Feb. The blame for this doesn't fall on one person. And, even if, now what? What needs to be done is being done, as far as I can see. I don't think we could have dodged this. Travel from China was stopped on Jan 24th, if I recall.

We couldn't have dodged it, but we could have been far more prepared if Trump hadn't been calling the virus a hoax for 2 months. FFS millions of Americans still think it's a hoax or a conspiracy theory.

Imagine if we still had a President with the moral courage to tell Americans the hard truth even if doing so meant jeopardizing his re-election chances. This -- exactly this shit -- is why some people have been saying for 4 years that Trump is unfit.

 

[Moonbeam]

China was not honest and still is not. But anyway, the whole of everyone in Congress, including most Americans, were focused on the impeachment inquiry, which started Sept 24, 2019, then a trial, then the acquittal, which happened in early Feb. The blame for this doesn't fall on one person. And, even if, now what? What needs to be done is being done, as far as I can see. I don't think we could have dodged this. Travel from China was stopped on Jan 24th, if I recall.

Why would you think we couldn't have dodged this. Let me think. You are a conservative Republican. What does that tell us. Right off the bat we know that you deny facing anything that could bring up bad feelings, always screaming about personal responsibility because in fact you hate yourself for not having any. You are guilty of putting a egotistical maniac in office, who mirrors back to you in a flattering way who you are, an incompetent who will be responsible for the deaths of untold thousands of people. And then, of course, to top it all off, you project your own personal guilt out there on to Democrats for focusing on impeaching the worthless shit, when had you and your fellow republicans had an ounce of virtue you would have impeached his ass and saved the country form his viral incipience.

Welcome to the world where you create what you fear. There is a reason Republicans are contemptuous. It's what you fear and will not face.

 

[BUTCH1]

China was not honest and still is not. But anyway, the whole of everyone in Congress, including most Americans, were focused on the impeachment inquiry, which started Sept 24, 2019, then a trial, then the acquittal, which happened in early Feb. The blame for this doesn't fall on one person. And, even if, now what? What needs to be done is being done, as far as I can see. I don't think we could have dodged this. Travel from China was stopped on Jan 24th, if I recall.

The travel was stopped 1/31, problem was the previous month roughly 300,000 people came here from China the month before plus numerous cargo ships/cargo flights, it was not smart to think the flights ending would keep this virus out of a country this size.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Odd, even this forum had a virus thread running by Jan 20th. The “impeachment distracted us” excuse is a poor excuse indeed.

considering all the days Trump played golf during that time...

 

[zzyzxroad]

That is correct. I know first hand because Chinese dealers poured into Tucson for the mineral shows in early February. Many got stuck in the US because the airlines stopped flying to China of their own accord.

At least it was frowned upon. Half assed attempts have to count for something no?

 

[UNCjigga]

Not everything is Trump’s fault. Can’t blame him for the fact that nearly all of our PPE is manufactured in China and Italy. I think he has the right idea by putting in a travel ban early. But that extra time he bought was wasted.

A few things I lay at the feet of Trump and his Administration:

- Getting rid of the NSC’s National Pandemic Response team in 2018. Trump says all of that talent stayed but it’s simply not true, and worse than losing the talent was losing operational readiness.
- Refusing to utilize WHO Covid test after the CDC test failed (I hear FDA deserves some blame here too)
- Failure to implement any national testing plan and coordinate with state and local governments.
- Sending federal stockpile of PPE overseas instead of stocking up/replenishing.
- General lack of leadership, allowing career scientists to butt heads with I’ll-prepared political appointees and not setting the tone for CDC, HHS and FDA to cooperate.

 

[eelw]

But even when prepared, it’s still hitting us here in Toronto. After SARS and everyone taking “voluntary quarantine” as that, voluntary. More care was taken to isolate. Our first 3 cases in end of January were people directly from Wuhan. They didn’t freely go everywhere when coming back. They contacted 911 and the team took appropriate precautions. Got tested and returned home to remain in isolation until they got 2 negative tests. It wasn’t until the rush in March from vacationers coming back from Italy, Iran and the US before numbers started to skyrocket.

And in regards to lessons learned from 2003, plenty of N95 masks on hand. But most are expired > _ <. And while ventilators are mostly used, not in shortage like Italy.

 

[HomerJS]

Not everything is Trump’s fault. Can’t blame him for the fact that nearly all of our PPE is manufactured in China and Italy. I think he has the right idea by putting in a travel ban early. But that extra time he bought was wasted.

He did not put in a travel ban early. He enacted travel restrictions end of Jan that only included Chinese nationals. Citizens returning from China were allowed to enter the country freely without a 14 day quarantine. The virus did not discriminate between Chinese or American citizens. That made it almost pointless. If he had quarantined EVERYONE coming from China mid Jan IMO the curve would have been drastically flattened.

We can't let Trump get away with the lie "I enacted a ban early". It's not true.

Would the virus have gotten here anyway? Most likely, however other countries have shown early action yields positive results.

 

[ShookKnight]

We could have contained the spread - where as now, we are trying to stop the rate of the spread. So, instead of preventing lots of deaths, we are now slowing down lots of deaths - with the hope of possibly avoiding some deaths.

This is why Trump IMMEDIATELY got on TV and declares he is not to be held responsible; someone told him he is responsible and in typical idiot fashion, he declares that is not the case.

Naw, brah, you are responsible.