How much better is a HD3850 compared to a 8800GTS 320?

[TurtleCrusher]

I've come the the conclusion my video card fried. I've replaced/borrowed every piece of spare equipment in this rig to find out what the culprit was. This computer only crashes with the 8800GTS installed.

AMD X2 4200+
2GB pc3200
8800GTS 320mb
530W Raidmax modular PSU

By the by, does the 3850 consume more or less power? Is it hotter?

 

[ronnn]

Do you mean 4850?

 

[TurtleCrusher]

No, 3850.

Its $85 AR on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814102715

 

[BFG10K]

The 3850 is worse - much worse - not better.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Are you sure? I'm talking about the G80 core. Not the nice G92.

 

[footballrunner800]

overclocked to 3870 speeds, its almost as fast as a 8800gt. It should be much faster in places where the gts runs out of memory.

 

[BFG10K]

The 3870 competed with the G80 8800 GTS. The only time the 3850 might be better is where the 320 MB version runs out of memory.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
Are you sure? I'm talking about the G80 core. Not the nice G92.

It makes no difference, it seems you got fooled by PR

The 3850 is much worse like BFG said

 

[BlueAcolyte]

Hmm, I thought it was around the same. Anyway, don't get it, it's definitely not any better.

 

[nCred]

The 3850 is not much worse at all, they are about equal.
http://www.elitebastards.com/c...7&limit=1&limitstart=4

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: nCred
The 3850 is not much worse at all, they are about equal.
http://www.elitebastards.com/c...7&limit=1&limitstart=4

That bench seems to be mangled in several ways.
OP, check out any reviews done by AT, FiringSquad, Xbit, HardOCP.

 

[rogue1979]

I have a 9600GT, HD 3850 512MB and the 8800 GTS 320MB (G80).

All three are overclocked. The 9600GT wasn't much of an overclocker, barely hitting 720/2020
from the default 650/1800. Pretty much the same results with both a Palit and a PNY G94.

The 8800 GTS 320MB hit 650/1500/2000 and the HD 3850 hit 830/2250, both stellar.

I play most games at 1152 x 864 4AA and 16AF all settings on high, except when testing Crysis.

Overall the HD 3850 is fastest, followed by the 8800GTS with the 9600GT bringing the rear.
There isn't much difference between the three. HD3850 is usually about 5 fps ahead of the 8800GTS and ten ahead of the 9600GT. Except in Crysis, the HD3850 is a good 15-20 fps ahead of the other two using the Xtreme-G 8.7 with no CCC (atitraytools), The Nvidia cards are using the Xtreme-G 177.41.

Pretty much the same results in other games, COD4, GRAW2, GRID, Test Drive Unlimited,
Oblivion, GTR2, ARMA, COH Opposing Fronts. At the above mentioned settings all of these cards hammer out good framerates, staying above 60fps minimum and often much faster.

I am not sure about higher resolutions, may or may not make a difference in the order of performance.

If budget is a concern, I got the Asus HD3850 512MB for $62.37 shipped after $30 MIR.

If I wanted a little more performance the 8800GT 512MB (G92) is down to $109 before shipping at the Egg, a good deal. Still, that's about $117 shipped for the 8800GT, almost twice as much as the HD 3850 but nowhere near twice as fast. Straight up you can find the 8800GS for $84, and the HD 3850 for $89.

It's a great time to be a computer gamer

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Thanks Rogue. I was buying a new card not for an upgrade but as a replacement. I picked the Sapphire single slot 3850 for $85 AR. Does the 3850 run alot cooler than the GTS? I just picked up an Antec P180 from fry's.com ($69.99 shipped btw) and lowered temps quite a lot. If things can get cooler that would be awesome.

Also, because of 3X the stream processors, does it fold a lot faster than the GTS?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
Thanks Rogue. I was buying a new card not for an upgrade but as a replacement. I picked the Sapphire single slot 3850 for $85 AR. Does the 3850 run alot cooler than the GTS? I just picked up an Antec P180 from fry's.com ($69.99 shipped btw) and lowered temps quite a lot. If things can get cooler that would be awesome.

Also, because of 3X the stream processors, does it fold a lot faster than the GTS?

An 8600GTS with 32 stream processors is almost equal to a HD3850 in Folding.
So, don't go by the # of stream processors.

GPU -- PPD

8600GT -- 1200
8600GTS -- 1370
3850 -- 1500
3870 -- 2100

9600GT -- 3200

8800GTS 320MB -- 3570
8800GTS 640MB -- 3400
8800GTX -- 4400

8800GS -- 3600
8800GT 256MB -- 4400
8800GT 512MB -- 4400
8800GTS 512MB -- 4500
9800GTX -- 4300
9800GX2 -- ???

4850 -- 2000 OC -- 2400
4870 -- ???

GTX 260 -- 6000
GTX 280 -- 7000

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Wow. I read that and said what a crappy folder out loud.

Oh well, i barely ever fold. Atleast it'll be good for my games.

 

[bryanW1995]

I just typed a very elegant reply. Sadly, my 2 yr old deleted it as I was about to hit "reply to topic". $85 is too much for a 3850. you can get an 8800gt at the egg for ~ $100 and I've seen several deals in the past 60 days there on 3870's for ~ $70-75AR. the 38xx and 48xx series gpus are much more competitive with nvidia in folding these days, I'm up to ~ 3200 ppd on my 4850 and was up to ~ 2600 on my 3870 before selling it last month. that still sucks, but it just sucks a little bit less than before...

 

[taltamir]

what bryan said...

Its not a bad card, its just that there are better cards for less money.

And considering you already have a "ZOTAC 8800GTS 320mb", its a step DOWN. not a step up.

rogue1979 pointed out his OCed well, especially compared to the competition. But OC is not gaurenteed. And well, do you even OC your video cards?

I would get at least a 4850 if I were you, to have a significant enough upgrade... Maybe even a 4870 / GTX260 (depending on price).

PS the G92 core is not meant to be faster then the G80, its meant to be the same speed while significantly cheaper. It is less then half the cost, but until the very latest models it was actually slower then the G80 core! And the 4850 is slowest AMD card that bypasses the G80 and G92.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Taltamir,

Sadly like bryan my laptop decided to turn off my wireless radio for a moment, losing my entire page long reply. God dammit.

Pretty much in a nutshell, I'm a broke college student that lives on his own and couldn't find anything cheaper than the 3850 at this moment and is fed up with nvidia's lack of bug fixes with multi monitor support out of the s-video to analong tv's. God the scanlines are horrible. My x1650 didn't have this video problem at all. Nvidia probably calls it a feature.

Also, at 8xAA 8xAF 1680x1050 my 8800gts 320 couldn't sustain that performance as it runs out of memory. It literally only gets 15-20 fps higher than my old x1650 512mb at optimum picture quality. Can you guess if that is a testament to ATI's x1650 or a diss to the 8800GTS? The 8800GTS blows the x1650 out of the water at lower resolutions and lower filtering settings. Its a lack of memory. I was going to consider the 8800GS for really cheap, but the 192-bit bus would be limiting at those AA/AF settings that i love oh so dearly would suffer.

EDIT: I wont be overclocking anymore. I had only a mild overclock and i believe this is what took it out. I was only at 535/820. Garbage huh?

Also, this wasn't an upgrade. I was more than content about my cards performance (less the situation i just described in dod:s.)

 

[rogue1979]

The 9600GT with a stock cooler runs about 60C under full load.

The 8800 GTS 320MB hits about 74C, which from what I understand is actually decent for a G80 (stock cooler).

The HD 3850 has the core overvolted from 1.214v to 1.275v and with a VF900 hits 59C.
But that's in a modified Ultra Microfly, not the coolest of cases.

Of course gpu temps vary according to the ambient temps, so the case cooling will play a significant role in determining load temps.

 

[AzN]

I wouldn't upgrade to a 3850 if you already have 8800gts. They perform about same. Save your money for a 4850 instead.