How much better are Richland CPUs compared to Trinity?

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BirdDad

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I have a Trinity processor and it seems slow. If I updated my cpu would it make a lot of difference in games?
 
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What are the specs of the PC, what games do you play and at what resolution ??
 
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it is a trinity apu 3.8GHz, 16GB memory @2000MHz, 1920x1080p, any game, mostly PS2 emulator.
 
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BirdDad said:
it is a trinity apu 3.8GHz, 16GB memory @2000MHz, 1920x1080p, any game, mostly PS2 emulator.
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Richland is just a newer revision of Trinity with a few tweaks. So, no, upgrading the APU will not make a serious difference. The one exception being if you're stuck with one of the single module Trinity's (A4, A6), in which case upgrading to a dual module Richland (A8, A10) would be very worthwhile.

You'll get a far bigger performance boost for gaming by adding a discrete card like a 260(X)/270(X) or if you're PSU limited 750(TI)...
 
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BirdDad said:
it is a trinity apu 3.8GHz, 16GB memory @2000MHz, 1920x1080p, any game, mostly PS2 emulator.
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How about just a little more detail. Can you give us the entire computer specs?

Also what games do you play??
 
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Specs- I will try
motherboard = ASRock FM2A75 Pro4-M
SSD=OCZ Vertex 3
Pioneer BDROM
 
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You could always sell your cpu in the for sale section here and use that money to upgrade to a 6800K or even better yet you could just sell your whole rig and go 7850K which is a pretty big improvement over last gen APU's graphics wise.Or your could go the Intel route which I am unsure of anything about the new gen Intel cpu's but I do know they are very expensive.Unless you wanna go G3258 which is cheap cause its a dual core but I hear you can overclock the snot out of them.Personally I would just go blow $30 bucks for a aftermarket heatsink and overclock what you have now to 4.4-4.5GHz and 950 on the IGPU side which will make a huge performance jump for you.Seriously it will be like night and day if you overclock that 5800K a bit, and dont worry your not going to hurt anything by doing this as that is what these "K" series APU's are meant to do.
 
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Come on, not all intel cpus are that expensive. An i3 would be ideal for this, since emulators like fast single core performance, and that is the strong suit of an i3. An i3 haswell is very close to the higher end AMD APUs in price. The problem with intel is that he would need another motherboard as well. You would also need a discrete gpu with the i3, but you probably do as well with the APU.

Adding a discrete GPU would be the logical first step. We are still not getting a very good description of the full system specs. OP, can you download GPU-Z and find out what the graphics is, or do you know if a discrete card has been added? We also need to know the wattage of the power supply. It should be posted on the side of the unit. Look for the numbers listed under the +12V category. Is this an OEM box or did you or someone else build it? If it is an OEM box with a weak power supply, something like a GTX 750 or 750Ti or HD7750 would be the only cards that could run on an OEM PSu. If the power supply is a good quality one of 400 amps or so, you could go higher like an R7 260.

I definitely would not upgrade to another AMD APU from an A10-6800k. The improvement will be minimal in cpu performance, maybe 10 or 20 percent, and maybe something more in graphics, but not a huge amount. You could try overclocking, but you would need a better heat sink, and have to make sure the power supply is sufficient. Even then, you will only get 10 to 20 percent performance from this, so I dont think it is going to be a huge difference. Ram speed and whether it is dual channel or not can also affect the performance of an APU quite a bit. OP, is there any way you can find out this information?

Edit: Sorry, you did give the memory specs. I did not see that. That is pretty fast and I would assume dual channel, so you should be good there.
 
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I use it for playstation 2, super nintendo, NES, SMS, Genesis. I happen to own the games I play, I just use emulators because they can do stuff that the original hardware can't like save states + dragging out the old systems would be a big pain.
In ZSNES if I choose even middle resolutions the frame rate drops drastically and the sound becomes unbearable.
I added a liquid cooler and am going to try OCing it past 4300MHz which is where it OCs to normally.
Thanks
 
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for snes try using newer stuff like bsnes (I'm using retroarch with bsnes core with good results), the last time I tried zsnes was only working 100% on windows xp.

from the things you mentioned only PS2 should be difficult to run with the 5800K.
 
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Some emulators need high single core performance (especially PS2 and Dolphin). AMD utterly fails there, no matter how high you clock it. That said I vaguely remember playing PSX on an old Atom netbook; apart from some dips it was OK.
 
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frozentundra123456 said:
Come on, not all intel cpus are that expensive. An i3 would be ideal for this, since emulators like fast single core performance, and that is the strong suit of an i3. An i3 haswell is very close to the higher end AMD APUs in price. The problem with intel is that he would need another motherboard as well. You would also need a discrete gpu with the i3, but you probably do as well with the APU.

Adding a discrete GPU would be the logical first step. We are still not getting a very good description of the full system specs. OP, can you download GPU-Z and find out what the graphics is, or do you know if a discrete card has been added? We also need to know the wattage of the power supply. It should be posted on the side of the unit. Look for the numbers listed under the +12V category. Is this an OEM box or did you or someone else build it? If it is an OEM box with a weak power supply, something like a GTX 750 or 750Ti or HD7750 would be the only cards that could run on an OEM PSu. If the power supply is a good quality one of 400 amps or so, you could go higher like an R7 260.

I definitely would not upgrade to another AMD APU from an A10-6800k. The improvement will be minimal in cpu performance, maybe 10 or 20 percent, and maybe something more in graphics, but not a huge amount. You could try overclocking, but you would need a better heat sink, and have to make sure the power supply is sufficient. Even then, you will only get 10 to 20 percent performance from this, so I dont think it is going to be a huge difference. Ram speed and whether it is dual channel or not can also affect the performance of an APU quite a bit. OP, is there any way you can find out this information?

Edit: Sorry, you did give the memory specs. I did not see that. That is pretty fast and I would assume dual channel, so you should be good there.
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my memory is 16GBs running @2400MHz
I have a gtx 750 which is now in the machine, I am more than a little disapointed with AMD. I remember running PS2 emu on the old trinity and it not being very bad, have not tried it yet with the 750 but will later today.
 
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I will be replacing my motherboard with an ASUS Rampage IV Gene mATX 2011. I will use my old Sandy Bridge hex core in it. 2 Samsung EVOs 250GB each in RAID0 with a 4TB HD which I mistakenly bought(didn't know it was a NAS drive) and a GTX 970.
 
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SPBHM said:
for snes try using newer stuff like bsnes (I'm using retroarch with bsnes core with good results), the last time I tried zsnes was only working 100% on windows xp.

from the things you mentioned only PS2 should be difficult to run with the 5800K.
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I will give that a try if it has netplay, I don't like ZSNES anymore because they took out the netplay. But I love the resolutions and video filters that it had.
 
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I will be using an ASUS A55BM-PLUS motherboard with it.
ZSNES problem solved, it seems that v1.41 has netplay.
 
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Trinity A10-5800K and Richland A10-6800K have identical performance.
 
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Richland is a "refresh" of Trinity, similar to Godavari "refresh" of Kaveri. Kaveri is the next-generation after Trinity.
 
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ZSNES having trouble on hardware that powerful sounds very suspicious. It works without a hitch on my Core 2 Duo U7600 (1.2 GHz), and even worked okay on my old Eee900, which was a single-core Pentium-M-based Celeron at 900 MHz...
 
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