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How many people do you think left the Firefox team because of Australis?

ninaholic37

Golden Member
Just your wild guess, or are statistics available? I imagine at least 50% were angry about it or flipping out about it and on the edge ready to leave.
 
What makes you think that ANY of the team left because of a UI change? Just because you personally don't like it (I assume) that means the developers also must have thrown a tantrum and quit?
 
I envisioned a lot them saying to each other "oh god, this Australis thing is actually happening, and a few members here are actually taking this thing seriously... is there enough of us willing to stop it before it's too late?". My estimate is that around 10-15% of the team actually left between the alpha29 and release29 phase because they couldn't handle the UI overhaul or hated it or felt it was "end game" destructive to their years of hard work, and many more (~25%) "silently disappeared" once they had time to process what was actually happening to their browser. I find it really hard to believe that everyone on the team was thinking "oh yeah, we are on the right path, this is a great direction for Firefox". Do you guys think my estimate is off?

I'm not sure if it is completely baseless, as the backlash to Austalis was well-known and very apparent in forums and communities and comment sections everywhere from what I've seen. I imagine not all developers were on the same page either and there was a lot of tension as this situation unfolded, or perhaps they are all some Borg 1-mind collective thinking "resistance is futile". 😱
 
Not sure I follow where this thread is going.
Did some devs not like the change? Yes.
Did some leave? Yes.
Did lots leave? No, most supported the transition.
...
Not sure it matters in the long run, things keep moving, people quit projects all the time, there was no mass exodus.
 
Not sure I follow where this thread is going.
Did some devs not like the change? Yes.
Did some leave? Yes.
Did lots leave? No, most supported the transition.
...
Not sure it matters in the long run, things keep moving, people quit projects all the time, there was no mass exodus.

How do you know devs didn't like it, and how do you know that devs left? ninaholics is talking out of their butt, with nothing to substantiate their claims. There was community backlash, but the community backlashes EVERY SINGLE TIME anything is changed. Communities never know what they want.
 
What's important is Mozilla's vision for Firefox. Sometimes you have to ignore community feedback for the sake of moving forward.
 
How do you know devs didn't like it, and how do you know that devs left? ninaholics is talking out of their butt, with nothing to substantiate their claims. There was community backlash, but the community backlashes EVERY SINGLE TIME anything is changed. Communities never know what they want.
I don't know of any paid devs, but I know of some contributing devs that were not happy at all, and moved on to Pale Moon, and others.
I lumped them all together, I probably shouldn't have done that.

Yeah, the community is pretty verbose about things that don't seem right, like this thread http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2688023
 
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