How many of you have actually read the Bible?

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Have you read the Bible?

  • Yes, I've read the whole thing

  • Yes, I've read parts of it

  • Nope, haven't read it


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SSSnail

Lifer
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Some very wise man said this long ago "I'm a very religious man, but the reasons I don't believe in your god are the same reasons you dismiss other gods".

That right there, is deep; blew my mind.
 

Malak

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Some very wise man said this long ago "I'm a very religious man, but the reasons I don't believe in your god are the same reasons you dismiss other gods".

That right there, is deep; blew my mind.

It's pure nonsense.
 

Malak

Lifer
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EXACTLY

Your evidence was the same that it was back then. What right do you have to say your religion isn't mythology and saying another is? Religion is based on belief even in the absence of evidence. One religion at any time in history is just as valid as the next. You invalidating other religions and while trying validate your own shows your ignorance.

I have no absence of evidence. You seem to have missed my point.

I can say my beliefs are not mythology because I know they are true. I don't call other beliefs mythology, you do.
 

zerocool84

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I have no absence of evidence. You seem to have missed my point.

I can say my beliefs are not mythology because I know they are true. I don't call other beliefs mythology, you do.

When did I say your beliefs were mythology??? I was simply stating that yours could be as much mythology as the Greek or Roman gods. You're the only one denying anything. A true believer of any religion wouldn't even need to state their beliefs were mythology or not. They would accept others views but would not need to say otherwise because deep down in their heart, they know they don't need to prove their beliefs to anyone. You might need to brush up a little.
 
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Malak

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When did I say your beliefs were mythology??? I was simply stating that yours could be as much mythology as the Greek or Roman gods. You're the only one denying anything.

At this point you think that my beliefs could be mythology like any other religion that has ever existed. And that's fine, I can understand why you would think that. After all, if no other religion managed to survive why would mine? And some of those beliefs... they sound pretty over the top, eh? So it's reasonable to assume it's nonsense.

But assuming is not the same as knowing. And given what the beliefs mean, if they are true, assuming could be dangerous.
 

zerocool84

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But assuming is not the same as knowing. And given what the beliefs mean, if they are true, assuming could be dangerous.

Just the same you assume yours is true. Heed your own words as assuming could be dangerous.
 

RPD

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I never understood why people get so riled up about religion. If someone doesn't believe, why should YOU care? It doesn't affect your faith (I know it doesn't affect mine), so why do people debate it so much?

There's a reason it's called faith. One can't prove it in the scientific sense, otherwise it couldn't be called believing or faith.

That's one of the reasons I enjoy going to the church my wife and her family attend, it's a Church of Christ, small maybe 30-40 people MAX. We have no hired preachers, but the men of the congregation give lessons on topics of their choosing which is related to their own life experiences. No one there ever tries to push their religion on ANYONE.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Evidence is everywhere. I got some right here in my hand even. Want me to ship it to you?
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Malak

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Just the same you assume yours is true. Heed your own words as assuming could be dangerous.

But I don't assume. I know. That's where you keep getting hung up, you don't believe I can know. But if my beliefs are true, then I can know. So you have no way of knowing, presently, that I know or not. Your only choices are assume I'm completely delusional, which isn't reasonable, or assume there's a reason I believe.
 

Malak

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I never understood why people get so riled up about religion. If someone doesn't believe, why should YOU care? It doesn't affect your faith (I know it doesn't affect mine), so why do people debate it so much?

There's a reason it's called faith. One can't prove it in the scientific sense, otherwise it couldn't be called believing or faith.

That's one of the reasons I enjoy going to the church my wife and her family attend, it's a Church of Christ, small maybe 30-40 people MAX. We have no hired preachers, but the men of the congregation give lessons on topics of their choosing which is related to their own life experiences. No one there ever tries to push their religion on ANYONE.

My goal isn't to push any religion on anyone. I make no attempts to prove anything. I only seek to point out obvious faults in logic when people come in these threads to blab nonsense with the intent of pushing their opinion in on the subject.
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
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But if my beliefs are true, then I can know.
The common definition for "knowledge" is a belief that is true and justified. If I believe that there are three planets orbiting Rigel, and there just so happens to be three planets that orbit it, I still can't claim that I know it even though the belief is true, because I do not have justification for the belief. Nobody even knows if there are ANY planets orbiting Rigel.

So you have no way of knowing, presently, that I know or not. Your only choices are assume I'm completely delusional, which isn't reasonable, or assume there's a reason I believe.
You are cordially invited to justify your beliefs to us if you expect us to accept that they are "knowledge." Absent that justification, our skepticism is rationally warranted.
 

zerocool84

Lifer
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But I don't assume. I know. That's where you keep getting hung up, you don't believe I can know. But if my beliefs are true, then I can know. So you have no way of knowing, presently, that I know or not. Your only choices are assume I'm completely delusional, which isn't reasonable, or assume there's a reason I believe.

So only your belief of it being true is correct. The main word being belief. My belief that you are wrong is automatically incorrect according to you. You seem to forget the meaning of belief.

What you say goes right back at you. Let me do this for you:

But I don't assume. I know. That's where you keep getting hung up, you don't believe I can know. But if my beliefs that are you incorrect are true, then I can know. So you have no way of knowing, presently, that I know or not. Your only choices are assume I'm completely delusional, which isn't reasonable, or assume there's a reason I believe that you are wrong.
 

Malak

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So only your belief of it being true is correct. The main word being belief. My belief that you are wrong is automatically incorrect according to you. You seem to forget the meaning of belief.

Your belief of me being wrong is automatically incorrect, because I'm not wrong. Your beliefs don't change reality. Reality simply is.
 

Malak

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I wish there was a way to just plainly talk about the bible without the other person clicking on their agenda to rail you into their “way.” Man I hate that. Simply dialoguing about thoughts springing from reading the bible has been an intellectual hunger of mine for a long time. I’d enjoy discussing it with a reasonable mind that’s not crusading some ideology, not proselytizing. Those people seem nonexistent.

I have quite often had long discussions on various biblical topics with several of my atheist friends. There are a lot of good discussion topics found in the bible.
 

zerocool84

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Your belief of me being wrong is automatically incorrect, because I'm not wrong. Your beliefs don't change reality. Reality simply is.

You're obviously some other weird religion cus you obviously do not follow any sect of Christianity because a real Christian would NEVER say anything like this.
 

Malak

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You're obviously some other weird religion cus you obviously do not follow any sect of Christianity because a real Christian would NEVER say anything like this.

Were you being sarcastic or do you simply not comprehend what I wrote?
 

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I have read the entire bible and I am a atheist. I was raised in a religious family and went to church regularly. I took many religious study classes and also took the bible as lit in high school.

Personally the more I read the less I believed.

This seems to be common among atheists.

Actually, I think most atheists fall into two camps:
1. People who never bought it in the first place
2. People who read the entire bible and took a serious look at whether it made sense (and came to the conclusion that it did not -- obviously there are religious people who disagree).
 

SSSnail

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Your belief of me being wrong is automatically incorrect, because I'm not wrong. Your beliefs don't change reality. Reality simply is.

Thank you for showing me what circular logic is, and by invoking this new found power, I believe you're an idiot. It's reality - because it's written on the internet; it's true - because I believe it; and it's proven - because you provided the proof.
 
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SSSnail

Lifer
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It isn't circular. It's a fundamental understanding of reality.

So fundamentally, you're an argumentative idiot? That's a reality you're refusing to believe despite overwhelming supporting evidence.
 

zerocool84

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Then I don't understand why you think a Christian would never say what I said.

Being religious is fine, if it makes you a better person then I'm all for it, but it's religious people like you that give the rest a bad name.