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CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
I initially was a little discouraged that Obama was not getting into the fight and really going after McCain for all his lies.

Looking at the headlines today made me realize what a cunning move it was for Barack not to get knee deep in the mud. McCain's lies are starting to catch up with him and every single major media outlet is calling him a liar. The theme of McCain as a liar is starting to pick up and it really calls into question his biggest asset, his personal integrity.

John McCain made the most brilliant move of this election in picking Sarah Palin, but he also made one of the biggest blunders in going so negative and so false so early.

Exactly - he can let the media do the work for him just like they have all along. As long as he can thrill their legs... they'll be doing his dirty work...
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Obama's campaign manager is good. David Axelrod is one of the best in the business.

Instead of having a knee-jerk reaction to McCain's lies he let them sit for little bit and the media and journalists did the dirty work for them. Now McCain has to answer to his lies and is on the defensive. Barack didn't have to do much of anything.
 

lupi

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Last I checked the electoral maps are getting even better for mccain.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: lupi
Last I checked the electoral maps are getting even better for mccain.

I have heard alot of People still referensing Polls taken 3 days after the RNC.

They claim McCain is continuing to Gain on Obama.

Why would they only reference those poll?
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Nope the polls are already showing McCain's bounce fading. Give it till the end of the week and by then I think we'll have a sense of where the election stands post RNC.
 
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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Nope the polls are already showing McCain's bounce fading. Give it till the end of the week and by then I think we'll have a sense of where the election stands post RNC.

I've noticed on RCP, that McCain's bounce is slowly fading away. And I cannot tell you how happy that makes me. The thought of another 4 years of the dumbya way, (now with even more bible babble!) made me literally sick to my stomach.
I planned on voting for Obama, and if the trend continues, I'll be voting for the next president of the USA.
 

Starbuck1975

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Looking at the headlines today made me realize what a cunning move it was for Barack not to get knee deep in the mud.
Kerry showed a similar reluctance...McCain's one two punch of announcing Palin and attacking Obama with a barrage of campaign ads put Obama on the defensive...similarly, McCain's post RNC bounce is forcing Obama to now campaign in states once assumed as safe.

My fear for Obama is that his campaign has nowhere to grow...his largest surges of enthusiasm are in already safe blue states...while this numerical advantage helped him against Hillary, it will not work for him against McCain...similarly, his mastery of the caucus process, and leveraging social networks to win them, will not help in the general election.

Once again it will come down to independents...McCain is now getting some negative press for his latest mudslinging, but sometimes mud does stick (again remember Kerry), and Obama's pristine image has similarly lost its luster.

Campaign ads and mudslinging will not change the election at this point...the debates will play a pivotal role in determining who has momentum going into Election Day.

 

OneOfTheseDays

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That's the problem with McCain though. He went WAY too negative and false too early. The backlash has caught up to him already and we are still weeks away from Election Day.

You're right that Obama doesn't really have anywhere to go. His poll numbers are staying relatively flat, while McCain is the one who is dropping. What he needs to do is shore up his base, I don't think he needs to attract that many new voters and independents. The Democrats should outnumber Republicans where it matters, just gotta get the base in line.
 

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
I initially was a little discouraged that Obama was not getting into the fight and really going after McCain for all his lies.

Looking at the headlines today made me realize what a cunning move it was for Barack not to get knee deep in the mud. McCain's lies are starting to catch up with him and every single major media outlet is calling him a liar. The theme of McCain as a liar is starting to pick up and it really calls into question his biggest asset, his personal integrity.

John McCain made the most brilliant move of this election in picking Sarah Palin, but he also made one of the biggest blunders in going so negative and so false so early.

Exactly - he can let the media do the work for him just like they have all along. As long as he can thrill their legs... they'll be doing his dirty work...

Did you complain when Mathews said the media, including himself, was McCain's base? Or when he consistently demonstrated his mancrush for mcCain? and Bush?

You're pathetic. YOu don't know mathews history but you're seizing on that one notorious comment from secondary sources.
 

OrByte

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Palin's favorables are dropping.

The only thing left for Palin to do would be to actually TALK to the media and reporters. Then she also has to do well in the debate.

Do you guys think her favorables will go up as a result? I think not.

McCain's favorables are actually surprising. Solid numbers for him. But I think his numbers are maxed out. No where to go but down, unless he announces Chuck Norris as SecDef. And that Jack Bauer will be his Attorney General.
 
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Obama is in a tough situation when it comes to negative campaigning. He clearly doesn't WANT to engage in it, and to the extent he gets too negative or defensive, he risks being perceived as an angry black man. McCain probably didn't do himself any favors by getting so carried away with outright falsehoods.
 

Genx87

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Only time will tell if McCains stretching of the truth or lies will hurt him. The problem Obama may face now is his and people supporting him response may fall on deaf ears.

This is what happens when you go bonkers out of your mind trying to smear the other side just for the sake of smearing without any substance.

McCain actually widened his lead last week while he was being called out. In both the national poll and electoral count.

I warned the left about quality over quantity.

And for the record McCain isnt impressing me with some of his attacks. I would prefer he stay on his positives and differences with Obama vs trying to mislead people.

/shrug
 

Lemon law

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Not only is the McCain lies, more lies, and distortions doing their work to discredit McCain Palin, the economy is turning to shit and people do vote their wallets. Six months ago I was saying that McCain would be doomed if the economy went south or either one of our twin quagmires went south.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Exactly - he can let the media do the work for him just like they have all along. As long as he can thrill their legs... they'll be doing his dirty work...

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Obama's campaign manager is good. David Axelrod is one of the best in the business.

Instead of having a knee-jerk reaction to McCain's lies he let them sit for little bit and the media and journalists did the dirty work for them. Now McCain has to answer to his lies and is on the defensive. Barack didn't have to do much of anything.

Please explain how the media reporting false and misleading statements out of the McCain camp are doing Obama's dirty work for him.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Only time will tell if McCains stretching of the truth or lies will hurt him. The problem Obama may face now is his and people supporting him response may fall on deaf ears.

This is what happens when you go bonkers out of your mind trying to smear the other side just for the sake of smearing without any substance.

McCain actually widened his lead last week while he was being called out. In both the national poll and electoral count.

I warned the left about quality over quantity.

And for the record McCain isnt impressing me with some of his attacks. I would prefer he stay on his positives and differences with Obama vs trying to mislead people.

/shrug
given the amount of money Obama raised in August I doubt his message/response has fallen on deaf ears.

shrug
 

Genx87

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Then explain why McCain widened his gap last week while Obama fired back?

Money isnt everything as evidenced by the Obama campaign. Outspending Clinton 3:1 and still losing.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Then explain why McCain widened his gap last week while Obama fired back?

Money isnt everything as evidenced by the Obama campaign. Outspending Clinton 3:1 and still losing.

when people are donating to the tune of 50+ mil a month, I think that means people are paying attention.

I'd like to see how McCain polls by the end of this week. I think I mentioned earlier about McCain and Palins favorables. Last week he benefited from Palin not talking to reporters, and the two of them campaigning together, and the wonderful lying/smear ads.

This week, Palin actually opened her mouth and she didnt do so well. The media is finally growing a pair and using the terms LIE and LIAR and LYING and most of that is being directed to McCain. And McCain got in front of millions of soccer moms (The View) and bald face lied to every one of them...

McCain and Palin still need to actually interact with the media and voters (Debates) I dont see this as a good thing for them.

Yeah I don't see his poll gap widening much further. As a matter of fact, I think any lead he or Obama is going to have is going to be well within the margin of error for polling. Sorry.
 

Stoneburner

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McCain's national lead is already gone. gallup and ras are showing very slim leads, hotline and r2000 are showing obama plus four.

 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: Stoneburner
McCain's national lead is already gone. gallup and ras are showing very slim leads, hotline and r2000 are showing obama plus four.

And 538 is showing that Palin's favorable/unfavorable is slipping mightily ....
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Pens1566
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
McCain's national lead is already gone. gallup and ras are showing very slim leads, hotline and r2000 are showing obama plus four.

And 538 is showing that Palin's favorable/unfavorable is slipping mightily ....

imho what that means to me is that the strat of lying, and of Palin keeping her mouth shut and talking through publicists, and of having the two of them do campaign stops together, that strategy is the best for McCain/Palin.

But they can't keep it up.

The lying is backfiring. and the debates will open all the candidates up to scrutiny by those folks that vote based on the debates.

The debates are important period.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Then explain why McCain widened his gap last week while Obama fired back?

Money isnt everything as evidenced by the Obama campaign. Outspending Clinton 3:1 and still losing.

While he is in the lead, it's not by much and it's slowly going down.
 

Starbuck1975

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Go out and scan all the major news outlets and the cover stories of the major newspapers...there are no headlines or articles calling out McCain for lying...the media is now fixated on how Obama will respond to McCain's more aggressive tone...so Obama's brilliant strategy of sitting on the sidelines could hurt him long term.

Independents and moderates are at stake...Democrats will call out McCain for lying, Republicans will defend McCain as responding to mud from the Obama campaign...those votes are already secure, so their respective perceptions are irrelevant.

The swing states are back in play, and recent trends and not promising for Obama...Obama promised to change the electoral map...things seem to be settling back into repeat mode.

 

abaez

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Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
I initially was a little discouraged that Obama was not getting into the fight and really going after McCain for all his lies.

Looking at the headlines today made me realize what a cunning move it was for Barack not to get knee deep in the mud. McCain's lies are starting to catch up with him and every single major media outlet is calling him a liar. The theme of McCain as a liar is starting to pick up and it really calls into question his biggest asset, his personal integrity.

John McCain made the most brilliant move of this election in picking Sarah Palin, but he also made one of the biggest blunders in going so negative and so false so early.

What major media outlets?


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122143893857134389.html - didn't outright call him a liar, but the first paragraph basically says it all.
 

Aharami

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anyone care to point out what are some of McCain's lies? Not attacking or defending him here - just curious because I havent been following the campaign trail