How mankind is sleepwalking to the end

[sMiLeYz]

Independent

Future historians, looking back from a much hotter and less hospitable world, are likely to play special attention to the first few weeks of 2005. As they puzzle over how a whole generation could have sleepwalked into disaster - destroying the climate that has allowed human civilisation to flourish over the past 11,000 years - they may well identify the past weeks as the time when the last alarms sounded.

Last week, 200 of the world's leading climate scientists - meeting at Tony Blair's request at the Met Office's new headquarters at Exeter - issued the most urgent warning to date that dangerous climate change is taking place, and that time is running out.

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It never ceases to amaze me, how people chose to be ignorant. Yea go ahead and joke about environuts and these climatalogists, who of all people, know what they're talking about.

I hope these "environuts" are wrong too, but its better to do something about a 10% chance and have nothing happen then your children and their children suffer the consequences of your ignorance.

 

[Steeplerot]

But hey we are bringing freedom to the c02 and liberating the trees from the tyranny of roots.
How could this be bad? I only see clear skies ahead let's roll! :roll:

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Good thing the dinosaurs had relaxed pollution guidlines to bring us out of the last ice age.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Good thing the dinosaurs had relaxed pollution guidlines to bring us out of the last ice age.

It was all those caveman fires. Heated things right back up.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Good thing the dinosaurs had relaxed pollution guidlines to bring us out of the last ice age.

It was all those caveman fires. Heated things right back up.

Damn those Rich Neocon Cavemen and their dependence on foreign combustables! I bet some of them even had 5-6 wood-guzzling fires - for a family of 4! *shakes fist*

 

[ntdz]

Global warming is a bunch of crap. Nothing major will happen for 150 years, according to the U.N. report. I think it's a lot of hype with no proof or real substance of the dire consequences they say it is. Read State of Fear by Michael Crichton, it's a real eye opener.

 

[dannybin1742]

ntdz:

what type of job do you have, its not the fact that its getting warmer, its how its getting warmer, you obvioulsy have no grasp on science

that sh!t we dump into the atmosphere destorys it in a NON-REVERSIBLE process, that means to bring equilibrium into the system somthing has to be made to replace what is broken down and last time i checked we don't have ozone machines that will reproduce the O3 broken down.


if you think no ozone is a good thing, by all means go live down in anarctica and see how fast you develop skin cancer. the human body does not have a any enzymes that can reversibly repair thymine dimers (dna damage from UV sunlight)

Nothing major will happen for 150 years, according to the U.N. report

yes so lets ignore it for 150 years

 

[Cerb]

Not everyone is sleepwalking.
But those who are not can not crack the shell of those in power; half of whom are money worshippers, half of whome are rapturists, and half of those are both money-worshippers and rapturists.

 

[charrison]

maybe the environuts will stop insisting that wind and solar are the only ways to produce electricity. Nuclear power solved a large portion of the CO2 emmissions.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Global warming is a bunch of crap.

Well thank you Dr. Jack Hall!

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742
ntdz:

what type of job do you have, its not the fact that its getting warmer, its how its getting warmer, you obvioulsy have no grasp on science

that sh!t we dump into the atmosphere destorys it in a NON-REVERSIBLE process, that means to bring equilibrium into the system somthing has to be made to replace what is broken down and last time i checked we don't have ozone machines that will reproduce the O3 broken down.


if you think no ozone is a good thing, by all means go live down in anarctica and see how fast you develop skin cancer. the human body does not have a any enzymes that can reversibly repair thymine dimers (dna damage from UV sunlight)

Nothing major will happen for 150 years, according to the U.N. report

yes so lets ignore it for 150 years

So even if this were true, do we not care what happens after 150 years? Do we just figure we'll have nuked the world into extinction by then?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742
ntdz:

what type of job do you have, its not the fact that its getting warmer, its how its getting warmer, you obvioulsy have no grasp on science

that sh!t we dump into the atmosphere destorys it in a NON-REVERSIBLE process, that means to bring equilibrium into the system somthing has to be made to replace what is broken down and last time i checked we don't have ozone machines that will reproduce the O3 broken down.


if you think no ozone is a good thing, by all means go live down in anarctica and see how fast you develop skin cancer. the human body does not have a any enzymes that can reversibly repair thymine dimers (dna damage from UV sunlight)

Nothing major will happen for 150 years, according to the U.N. report

yes so lets ignore it for 150 years

Forget, they don't believe in Science, that's not God's will.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Global warming is a bunch of crap. Nothing major will happen for 150 years, according to the U.N. report. I think it's a lot of hype with no proof or real substance of the dire consequences they say it is. Read State of Fear by Michael Crichton, it's a real eye opener.

You might consider that a novel by a tech thriller novelist who gets scientific facts wrong frequently in his books might not be the best source of information about climate change. Real Climate scientists point out his flaws in detail. If you want to read actual scientists, try "The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change" from Science magazine.

 

[0marTheZealot]

If major institutions can quote Michael Crichton as a work of scientific acheivement, I should be damn able to use Stephen King for my dissertation.

 

[glenn1]

I'd rather live in a world of global warming than the world the "environmentalists" would have us living in if you got your way. I'm sure many feel the same way I do, thus the lack of response to your continual dire predictions of doom.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742
ntdz:

what type of job do you have, its not the fact that its getting warmer, its how its getting warmer, you obvioulsy have no grasp on science

that sh!t we dump into the atmosphere destorys it in a NON-REVERSIBLE process, that means to bring equilibrium into the system somthing has to be made to replace what is broken down and last time i checked we don't have ozone machines that will reproduce the O3 broken down.


if you think no ozone is a good thing, by all means go live down in anarctica and see how fast you develop skin cancer. the human body does not have a any enzymes that can reversibly repair thymine dimers (dna damage from UV sunlight)

Nothing major will happen for 150 years, according to the U.N. report

yes so lets ignore it for 150 years

You're forgetting that global warming will have the effect of causing much more violent storms throughout the world. All that extra lightning will generate all the O3 we need!!!

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: glenn1
I'd rather live in a world of global warming than the world the "environmentalists" would have us living in if you got your way. I'm sure many feel the same way I do, thus the lack of response to your continual dire predictions of doom.

What....? You would rather live in a world of global warming whose advent would be heralded by the deaths of millions of people across the world due to flooding and rising global temperatures than a world that is working together across all levels of the geo-political stratosphere in order to combat this menace?

Every day I get closer and closer to the conclusion that people like you are my sworn enemies. I would do everything in my power to help people across the globe. If it means a 5% tax hike who the f!ck cares. The third world war may be inevitable.

 

[Whaspe]

Flooding and tidal waves is an unproven reality. What's more at stake are things like the formation of deserts and loss of a fresh water source (a large majority of the Earths fresh water is tied up in the artic circles). Sensationalism always makes the headlines but ends up trivializing the issue.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Whaspe
Flooding and tidal waves is an unproven reality. What's more at stake are things like the formation of deserts and loss of a fresh water source (a large majority of the Earths fresh water is tied up in the artic circles). Sensationalism always makes the headlines but ends up trivializing the issue.

I know. There is a desert stretching from the Sahara to India pretty much right now that grows every year. Sensationalism is a good tactic though. Otherwise we will end up like the wise old Brit' in the Independent said we would.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: glenn1
I'd rather live in a world of global warming than the world the "environmentalists" would have us living in if you got your way. I'm sure many feel the same way I do, thus the lack of response to your continual dire predictions of doom.

What....? You would rather live in a world of global warming whose advent would be heralded by the deaths of millions of people across the world due to flooding and rising global temperatures than a world that is working together across all levels of the geo-political stratosphere in order to combat this menace?

You'd rather live in a world where hospitals and schools lose power because it's cloudy?

Every day I get closer and closer to the conclusion that people like you are my sworn enemies. I would do everything in my power to help people across the globe. If it means a 5% tax hike who the f!ck cares. The third world war may be inevitable.

How about a 95% tax hike? What's that you say? You too have limits? Hmm, well then, maybe you don't want to be proposing war just yet.

 

[sMiLeYz]

It never ceases to amaze me, how people chose to be ignorant. Yea go ahead and joke about
environuts and these climatalogists, who of all people, know what they're talking about.

I hope these "environuts" are wrong too, but its better to do something about a 10% chance and have nothing happen then your children and their children suffer the consequences of your ignorance.

Fvck it.

We probably deserve a natural disaster 100x of that of the tsunami to kill us or wake us the hell up.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: glenn1
I'd rather live in a world of global warming than the world the "environmentalists" would have us living in if you got your way. I'm sure many feel the same way I do, thus the lack of response to your continual dire predictions of doom.

What....? You would rather live in a world of global warming whose advent would be heralded by the deaths of millions of people across the world due to flooding and rising global temperatures than a world that is working together across all levels of the geo-political stratosphere in order to combat this menace?

You'd rather live in a world where hospitals and schools lose power because it's cloudy?

Every day I get closer and closer to the conclusion that people like you are my sworn enemies. I would do everything in my power to help people across the globe. If it means a 5% tax hike who the f!ck cares. The third world war may be inevitable.

How about a 95% tax hike? What's that you say? You too have limits? Hmm, well then, maybe you don't want to be proposing war just yet.

Solar technology has improved to the point where it can still absorb solar energy even on a cloudy day...


Well ask yourself something, since we're talking about unreasonable extremes here... would u rather pay a 95% tax hike or have you and your children die in much more inhospitable environment? Like say an ice age or your house being flooded? Or having water suddenly become a precious commodity like gold?

 

[ajf3]

Read a story a long time ago about how society was able to "clean-up" up their act and stop the pollution and emissions that purportedly cause "global-warming." Turns out that the global warming was the only thing staving off the ice age that we're supposed to be in now according to past patterns (from the story anyway).

How do we go about creating an EcoNut subforum where these Chicken Little posts can go?

Also - how about this... for whatever % "tax hike" you're quoting that we'd have to pay to use cleaner energy... wouldn't that money be better spent feeding the starving children around the world? For that kind of $$$ you could probably eliminate world hunger... Looking at it that way, you're now gambling the lives of starving children v. a highly speculative "global climate change" that may or may not be happening... Feeling lucky?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: glenn1
I'd rather live in a world of global warming than the world the "environmentalists" would have us living in if you got your way. I'm sure many feel the same way I do, thus the lack of response to your continual dire predictions of doom.

What....? You would rather live in a world of global warming whose advent would be heralded by the deaths of millions of people across the world due to flooding and rising global temperatures than a world that is working together across all levels of the geo-political stratosphere in order to combat this menace?

You'd rather live in a world where hospitals and schools lose power because it's cloudy?

Every day I get closer and closer to the conclusion that people like you are my sworn enemies. I would do everything in my power to help people across the globe. If it means a 5% tax hike who the f!ck cares. The third world war may be inevitable.

How about a 95% tax hike? What's that you say? You too have limits? Hmm, well then, maybe you don't want to be proposing war just yet.

Solar technology has improved to the point where it can still absorb solar energy even on a cloudy day...


Well ask yourself something, since we're talking about unreasonable extremes here... would u rather pay a 95% tax hike or have you and your children die in much more inhospitable environment? Like say an ice age or your house being flooded? Or having water suddenly become a precious commodity like gold?

While solar technology has improved, it is still quite expensive compared to the obvious solution that everyone in the US ignoring. Nuclear power.

 

[Proletariat]

Solar Power is not the only answer. Limiting emissions can help and so can fusion reactions.