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How long would/have you held a grudge against a hardware manufacturer?

mikeymikec

mikeymikec

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Since posting to this thread I've been keeping up with it:
"General quality and reliability of ASRock boards"
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2324565

I didn't post my personal opinion of ASRock (that in the era of the capacitor plague, I would estimate that 80% of ASRock boards I encountered would show signs of bad caps), because while I still don't trust ASRock (I've just retired a customer's board due to the weirdest, most intermittent SATA behaviour I have *ever* seen), I wonder whether my opinion, considering that I don't think I've seen a new ASRock board in at least 5 years, is still valid.

I don't want this to be a discussion about ASRock, I guess what I'm asking is, is if you develop a negative opinion towards a particular hardware maker, what has it taken for you to decide to abandon that opinion?
 
I would actively avoid developing a negative opinion for a particular manufacturer--maybe for a particular product, but not a manufacturer as a whole. You are only disservicing yourself by developing a bias that isn't supported by general data (as in, across thousands or millions rather than "the last two Asus boards I have failed in 2 months each!").

That being said, Raidmax, Logisys, and Diablotek are proven to make pretty much only crappy PSUs (in fact, most off brand, non-Seasonic/Corsair/Antec/XFX are pretty bad, with few exceptions).
 
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Asus has been on my shitlist for a while now. Too many boards from them with too many issues. I swore my P6T6 WS Revo would be the last ASUS board I ever buy. A few months ago I decided to give them a another chance and bought a ASUS F2A85-M PRO for my HTPC build. That seems to have been a mistake as the system refuses to run stable when using the onboard HDMI port. At this point, I don't see them getting another chance any time in the near future.
 
I avoid OCZ since my first and last SSD from them died within 48hrs, and Patriot, because one of their crappy RAM kits needed to have loosened timings to run stable at stock 1600MHz.

As to Asrock, I've used them in my past few builds, but I'm switching back to Gigabyte which are just built better. I agree on the PSU's, I've had one Antec TP die on me (using an Neo Eco now), but I would generally only buy a Seasonic built or Seasonic rebadge PSU. Last gaming build was FSP Aurum though, scored a 9 at Johnny Guru, so that's good enough for me.
 
ill hold it for a long time. there are so many good technology companies out there, no reason for me to give business to a company that has disappointed me.
 
I just got an ATI video card again in 2012. The last time I had an ATI video card before this was back in 1996. It was such a horrible experience that the next 16 years I absolutely did not want to have anything to do with ATI video cards 😀

Btw, I have to add that when I built my computer last year, the only reason I finally decided to 'forgive' ATI and gave it a chance was because of all the information posted here at GH.
 
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I used to sell computers at fry's and people are so ridiculous.
I had plenty of people that owned a dell 10 years ago that died, and refuse to ever buy anything from them again. People dont realize that companies are bought and sold everyday, and all that might remain of the company they know is the name.

Like people that ONLY buy gateway, but would never buy an acer. They think im stupid when I tell them that gateway is just an acer with a different badge.

Me: I look at every product product separately. Just because a company makes shitty speakers, doesnt mean their keyboards arnt top quality
 
Well, so far all of my OCZ SSDs are still running strong, but I did have a Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240GB die on me within a month. Should have exchanged it back to Newegg, but I thought I could nurse it back to health with a few secure erases. Nah. It bricked completely some time after my return window. $238.99 down the drain.

I still have 4 (gave one to a friend) OCZ 30GB Agility drives, and two OCZ Agility 2 90GB drives, as well as three Vertex Plus R2 120GB drives (Barefoot 2 controller).
 
One of my friends used to buy only ASUS products and then one of the graphics cards broke down. Since then he never recommends them anymore. I think thats too strict at all.

For me, i am using biostar motherboards since a while. Although every says they are not good i didnt have any problems so far. If it would break down, how could i know its just bad luck or a systematic issue?

So at the end, its not wise to decide based on a manufacturer. For me i look for good value for money. I dont wanna pay for the name. My case doesnt have a windows -- so who cares whats inside as long as it works? 😛
 
I cleaned everything Sony out of my house 2 years ago and I will never purchase a Sony product again. Don't get me wrong, their products are very good and some are best in class.

However, I reached the end of my rope with their DRM track record when Cinavia came out. Rootkits in CDs? OK, everyone screws up once in awhile, but then Sony comes out with ARccOS and I realize that they don't care one iota about customer experience but I can rip it with software that cleans it up. Then, I'm watching a rip of MY Blu-Ray copy of the movie Salt on my PS3 and I encounter my first and last experience with Sony DRM when the sound suddenly muted and a Cinavia warning popped up on the screen. 3 weeks later the PS3 is sold on eBay and replaced with a WD Live Hub, my mp3 player is replaced with a Sansa, etc. I check movie info on IMDB to make sure Sony didn't produce it before I go see it. The only thing I will buy Sony is used DVDs and BRs. It'll be a cold day in hell before I hand those asshats another dollar.

Never again Sony.
 
I cleaned everything Sony out of my house 2 years ago and I will never purchase a Sony product again. Don't get me wrong, their products are very good and some are best in class.

However, I reached the end of my rope with their DRM track record when Cinavia came out. Rootkits in CDs? OK, everyone screws up once in awhile, but then Sony comes out with ARccOS and I realize that they don't care one iota about customer experience but I can rip it with software that cleans it up. Then, I'm watching a rip of MY Blu-Ray copy of the movie Salt on my PS3 and I encounter my first and last experience with Sony DRM when the sound suddenly muted and a Cinavia warning popped up on the screen. 3 weeks later the PS3 is sold on eBay and replaced with a WD Live Hub, my mp3 player is replaced with a Sansa, etc. I check movie info on IMDB to make sure Sony didn't produce it before I go see it. The only thing I will buy Sony is used DVDs and BRs. It'll be a cold day in hell before I hand those asshats another dollar.

Never again Sony.
 
Wow, you hate Sony twice. 🙂

I might give OCZ another try if they're still around in 5-years or so.

I don't buy drives with Sandforce controllers as a rule, but will likely revise that with the new hotness LSI is cooking.

I will never EVER buy anything again from Highpoint, and I will never buy Wintec's server memory memory, which isn't compatible with anything I've ever seen.

I dont like Adobe software at all.

I've given up on AMD's CPU division.

Daimon
 
Pioneer. They actually initiated a dispute with eBay on a listing I had. Said I was ripping the description of the product from their site. No pics, the description. Yeah. They just hate the resell market.

Never giving a single cent to that company ever again.
 
I think it's natural for people to hold grudges based on negative experiences. Probably in our DNA.
 
Not a grudge, but I avoid using the brand from previous experience.

Hewlett-Packard - Presario Desktops/laptops (overheating problem), Inkjet printers - expensive ink.
Sony - electronics quality; CINAVIA
Epson - clogged print heads.
AMD and ATI - prefer using Intel and NVidia for my system builds.
 
JasonCoder said:
Pioneer. They actually initiated a dispute with eBay on a listing I had. Said I was ripping the description of the product from their site. No pics, the description. Yeah. They just hate the resell market.

Never giving a single cent to that company ever again.
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Just FYI, a collection of facts is not copyrightable, that I know of. If you ripped some of their actual HTML code off of their site, then yes, they could have a copyright dispute with you. But not because of purely the information.
 
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Just FYI, a collection of facts is not copyrightable, that I know of. If you ripped some of their actual HTML code off of their site, then yes, they could have a copyright dispute with you. But not because of purely the information.
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Dude, I read you. When I echoed these thoughts to eBay I got a "do it again and your account is suspended". I think I waited a couple of weeks and re-listed with a personal description of the CD changer, or maybe I sold it in AT FS.
 
No grudges against any company as such I read multiple reviews and use my head before buying anything and I try not to compromise on quality even if that means going for something basic. I don't like the concept of companies like HP selling InkJet printers with shitty ink cartridges lasting for only 20 pages!
 
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Zalman has entered my hate list for all eternity. Can citing the UPC code FOR A DIFFERENT PRODUCT (CNPS9800 QUIET) AND REJECTING THE CORRECT UPC CODE I SENT IN (CNPS8900 EXTREME) ever be forgiven? NO, not even after Newegg gave $10 store credit. Plus, I sent a resubmission with an angry letter and no code and have received no response in my email. Hell, if you see that Amazon review for the CNPS8900 EXTREME with "Neanderthal" in its title, THAT'S ME who got burned.
 
Sleepingforest said:
You are only disservicing yourself by developing a bias that isn't supported by general data
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a friend that has a business that partly deals with building custom PC's avoids brands that causes him problems. not from the hardware being odd or doing anything really wrong, just that he has to deal with some customers and ever ending issues which some boards just "have". They work, not not well enough for the customer to be happy which means less time for him to run his business when spending a lot of his time checking computers looking for hardware faults the customer says is their.

Easier to just skip over the cheap boards and get the customer to pay the extra $20-30 for a better robust board. If the customer does not like that, he either offers to sell as a "kit" or gets the customer to go somewhere else. ie: a lost customer is better than a dead beat one.
 
cronos said:
The last time I had an ATI video card before this was back in 1996.
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I avoided them from about that time as two friends got together reguarly with me and others would have lan gaming events, but it was always ati cards which would not play new games until a while later when a new driver pack was released.


nVidia just worked, even with year old drivers.

Still nVidia, but then more for the performance at the time I am looking. Since AMD bought ATI, I feel they have improved greatly in the area of performance and driver compatability with new games.



Another brand I avoided for a long time was WD, as about the time drives went over 1GB, the place I was working at had about 3 in 4 die for quite a few months in a row. It was just awlful. No idea how many died in the following few months of use. Now I use them nearly exclusivly as seagate (who was my perfered hdd maker, partly as having a better warrenty) upped their prices to the sky (well before the floods) and then had the cheek to drop the 5 year warrenties.
 
SKORPI0 said:
Hewlett-Packard - Presario Desktops/laptops (overheating problem),
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They're still at it, BTW, though they seem to shut off these days, and just not turn back on until they've cooled down (and just think: that's an improvement). I love HP's business computers (and some of their overlapping higher-end products that are also consumer, like ultrabooks and such), but their run of the mill consumer gear is as craptastic as ever, IME.

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Acer: I actually did a survey on my school when I studied. Out of all Acer owners, exactly 1 had NOT had to RMA their machine. To top it off, their customer service sucks.
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Gateway really is better, even though it's the same company, IME.
 
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I avoid:

Acer: I actually did a survey on my school when I studied. Out of all Acer owners, exactly 1 had NOT had to RMA their machine. To top it off, their customer service sucks.
Packard Bell: Generally makes the poorest crap they can get away with.
HP: Overpriced.

I rather like: Asus and Samsung.
 
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