How long will AMD stay in business?

[frankgomez75]

Realistically, how much longer will AMD stay in business if they are unable to grow and expand? AMD's problem is the inability to expand as rapidly as Intel due to financial constrictions. Intel on the other hand has thier hands in everything from mobos, processers, chipsets, etc..

Intel is providing chips to all the large OEM's and now the got Apple. If AMD can't wrangle in any OEM's than AMD will eventually have to shut down.... right?

Everyone knows that AMD has been making a better product than Intel for some time now, or at least the enthusiasts and tech savvy ppl know this..... the general public however is still brainwashed from Intels "More Gigahertz is Better" marketing campaign. Thank god the gigahertz war is over know.

With AMD unable to fulfill current demands, its no wonder Apple choose Intel. Cheaper prices for Apple, means more profit for them. Apple is also guaranteed that demand will be met and that thier MACs will have no shortage of chips. One can't really blame Apple, as they can't afford to gamble on AMD trying to meet Apples demand.

It really sux as it would have been nice to see the 2 underdogs in the computer world work together to balance out the industry. But, alas the darkside has grown stronger..... I feel as Apple is Anakin..... you want to like him, but then BAM! He goes to the darkside and makes them stronger.

 

[tfinch2]

AMD keeps gaining more and more of the market share. I think they are up to a little more than 16% now.

 

[konakona]

It really sux as it would have been nice to see the 2 underdogs in the computer world work together to balance out the industry. But, alas the darkside has grown stronger..... I feel as Apple is Anakin..... you want to like him, but then BAM! He goes to the darkside and makes them stronger.

i see where you are coming from, but i would rather associate apple with the dark side to begin with. there are some valid points apple enthusiasts make as far as MAC's strong points go, but most apple users are i-pod slinging technophobes. accordingly, they fit better in the same category as those who believe intel chips make internet go faster.

 

[Czar]

amd makes most of its money from making flash memory if I remember correctly, where they have a major market share

 

[frankgomez75]

Originally posted by: VanillaH

It really sux as it would have been nice to see the 2 underdogs in the computer world work together to balance out the industry. But, alas the darkside has grown stronger..... I feel as Apple is Anakin..... you want to like him, but then BAM! He goes to the darkside and makes them stronger.

i see where you are coming from, but i would rather associate apple with the dark side to begin with. there are some valid points apple enthusiasts make as far as MAC's strong points go, but most apple users are i-pod slinging technophobes. accordingly, they fit better in the same category as those who believe intel chips make internet go faster.

huh.... never thought of that way.

Originally posted by: Czar
amd makes most of its money from making flash memory if I remember correctly, where they have a major market share

Didn't realize AMD had that much of a marketshare in flash memory.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: frankgomez75
With AMD unable to fulfill current demands, its no wonder Apple choose Intel.

Really? Link?

 

[Aimster]

Apple picked Intel because Intel is better than AMD.

It's like saying the 350Z (AMD) > Mustang (Intel) but in America the Mustang has more recognition than a 350Z.

 

[frankgomez75]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: frankgomez75
With AMD unable to fulfill current demands, its no wonder Apple choose Intel.

Really? Link?

Actually, I should have said with thier history of not meeting current demands as AMD has had shortages in the past with thier Athlons. At this time they are meeting demand, but had Apple gone with AMD then its possible that AMD would not have been able to meet Apples demand.

 

[frankgomez75]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Apple picked Intel because Intel is better than AMD.

It's like saying the 350Z (AMD) > Mustang (Intel) but in America the Mustang has more recognition than a 350Z.

Well, I disagree. As a 350Z is OVERPRICED compared to a Mustang.
To me its like Mustang Cobra (AMD) > Corvette Z06 (Intel)
With the Cobra you get more bang for your buck. Divide the dollar amount by the horsepower and you pay less for the compared to Z06 and both are fast, its just one is cheaper and you get more bang for your buck

 

[2cpuminimum]

First of all apple is a very small market segment. People who buy macs are either
1. deluded by advertising
2. misinformed by someone who still thinks apple has some advantage or other which it may have had historically but no longer does
3. using software only available on the mac
4. buying a mac just to express individuality and be different like everyone else; as in getting a tattoo/piercing
Second AMD is being held back by it's fabrication capacity. It's not like debeers where they have warehouses full of their product that they aren't selling. AMD cpus are more rare than diamonds. When they increase capacity, then they will get more marketshare. In the meantime it is more cost effective for amd to target sales at people who are buying a cpu to fill a need, not just because it comes in a pink box. People who take the time to look up benchmarks and compare price/performance buy AMD. For everyone else, there's people in funky suits dancing and a little jingo.

 

[konakona]

huh.... never thought of that way.

market shares aside,
the dark side = uninformed masses (who wield bigger power as a consumer group)
jedis = enlightened people who know whats technologically superior (which is great for themselves, but doesnt have much of an impact on the market, and thus makes them the underdogs)

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: frankgomez75

Originally posted by: VanillaH

It really sux as it would have been nice to see the 2 underdogs in the computer world work together to balance out the industry. But, alas the darkside has grown stronger..... I feel as Apple is Anakin..... you want to like him, but then BAM! He goes to the darkside and makes them stronger.

i see where you are coming from, but i would rather associate apple with the dark side to begin with. there are some valid points apple enthusiasts make as far as MAC's strong points go, but most apple users are i-pod slinging technophobes. accordingly, they fit better in the same category as those who believe intel chips make internet go faster.

huh.... never thought of that way.

Originally posted by: Czar
amd makes most of its money from making flash memory if I remember correctly, where they have a major market share

Didn't realize AMD had that much of a marketshare in flash memory.

He's now wrong, IIRC.
They *DID* make lots of money from Flash, but recently the Flash division posted losses, and the CPU part posted profit, and AMD I think have decided to split off their CPU and Flash divisions into deperate entities, not 100% sure though, because I can't remember the specifics, but that's what I recall reading.
To the OP, and everyone else who seems obsessed with the idea that magically Apple is going to let Intel take over the world:

Apple worldwide marketshare: 3.3%
Intel CPU marketshare recent change (yr on yr I think) DOWN 0.5%
AMD CPU marketshare ^^ UP 1.9% IIRC

Apple aren't a big player at the moment, they may become a bigger force, but Intel already has a monopoly on CPU marketing (and AMD aren't doing anything about it), so I don't particularly see the Apple deal doing anything to change anything really, except give Intel a few more % point in terms of sales which they will take not from AMD, but from IBM.

 

[frankgomez75]

Originally posted by: VanillaH

huh.... never thought of that way.

market shares aside,
the dark side = uninformed masses (who wield bigger power as a consumer group)
jedis = enlightened people who know whats technologically superior (which is great for themselves, but doesnt have much of an impact on the market, and thus makes them the underdogs)

AMD to me are the Jedi's. Its a shame that the general public is unaware of this. Most ppl I build PC's for never even heard of AMD. Often they ask how many gigahertz is it and I have to spend 1/2 hour explaining to them the misconception of that.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Apple picked Intel because Intel is better than AMD.

In what way is Intel any better?

Intel is bigger, stronger (financialy wise) and is a far more of a brand name than AMD.

But that says nothing about their products. You would assume that Intel can come up with a better product than AMD for the reasons above, but currently AMD has a better line of processors to offer on the "desktop front".

It is obvious that the Pentium 4 and the concept behind it are about to die; Intel may come up with a desktop replacement in the form of Pentium M (designed in Israel, BTW ) which is a great CPU. I recently read that the Mac mini will be based upon Pentium M platform in the future...

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: Czar
amd makes most of its money from making flash memory if I remember correctly, where they have a major market share

They got out of flash memory IIRC.

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: frankgomez75

Originally posted by: VanillaH

huh.... never thought of that way.

market shares aside,
the dark side = uninformed masses (who wield bigger power as a consumer group)
jedis = enlightened people who know whats technologically superior (which is great for themselves, but doesnt have much of an impact on the market, and thus makes them the underdogs)

AMD to me are the Jedi's. Its a shame that the general public is unaware of this. Most ppl I build PC's for never even heard of AMD. Often they ask how many gigahertz is it and I have to spend 1/2 hour explaining to them the misconception of that.

perhaps jedi wasnt the right term here, since i havnt seen much of star wars series and lack the background on it. the bottom line is apple is evil, AMD is not

 

[narzy]

Intel has just gained a whapping 1.6% global market share..:roll: AMD from the last numbers I read has been holding steady at a little over 16.1% global market share for the last 3 years. although people would have you belive that AMD is gaining ground, they are not. until Dell starts making AMD systems I don't see that market share moving much. Dell's market share however has been consistantly growing over the past 3 years further hampering AMD's ability to gain an upper hand.

 

[SouthPaW1227]

Did it ever occur to you that Intel is replacing ***IBM*** chips, and not AMD?

 

[compuwiz1]

If there are enough geeks out there, AMD will live a long, long time.

 

[narzy]

Originally posted by: SouthPaW1227
Did it ever occur to you that Intel is replacing ***IBM*** chips, and not AMD?

yes...it did, that is why this is helping intel more directly in the CPU market.

 

[Schadenfroh]

What is holding amd back from gaining market share?

Lack of OEM support?

Lack of enough fabs (ie, cant produce enough for the OEMs so that they might pick them)

Lack of brand recognition with the general public?



I have actually heard people picked a celeron over an athlon 64 because the athlon was "AMD and not any good" and the celeron was 1Ghz faster.

 

[Injury]

It's pretty dumb to think that this will even really affect AMD. Apple wasn't using AMD chips, and now they still aren't using AMD chips. How does that change anything from their standpoint?

Intel has a bit more business, but it's not like that's going to make AMD plummet for some reason.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: 2cpuminimum
First of all apple is a very small market segment. People who buy macs are either
1. deluded by advertising
2. misinformed by someone who still thinks apple has some advantage or other which it may have had historically but no longer does
3. using software only available on the mac
4. buying a mac just to express individuality and be different like everyone else; as in getting a tattoo/piercing

Pure genius.

Have you actually USED a Mac lately?

 

[frankgomez75]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
What is holding amd back from gaining market share?

Lack of OEM support?

Lack of enough fabs (ie, cant produce enough for the OEMs so that they might pick them)

Lack of brand recognition with the general public?



I have actually heard people picked a celeron over an athlon 64 because the athlon was "AMD and not any good" and the celeron was 1Ghz faster.

OMG..... that person should be dragged through the city and stoned to death for their stupidity.

 

[91TTZ]

Apple has only about 2% of the PC market. They're insignificant. And knowing how Steve Jobs is, Intel isn't making much profit on those chips.