How long 'till there's a hacked version of Apple OSx86

[halik]

I really don't see how apple plans of protecting it's hard ware on x86 platform. The binaries are directly compatible and all of the back end if open source. I'm sure i'll have osx on my poweredge before 2007.

 

[BlackAdam]

3 months? You think WAY too slow...

 

[sygyzy]

I am sorry, I don't understand what you are saying.

 

[EvilYoda]

The thing is though, is OSX86 really going to be that clean and cut? I have the damned letters 'D' 'R' and 'M' looming around my head...no coincidence that Leopard is releasing same time as Longhorn.

But I certainly hope you're right, heh.

 

Being the x86 dev kits are going out soon, you will probably see OS X running on P5s before the first x86 Mac hits the market. The only issue is drivers. There may be a huge OSS driver push for hacked OS X but probably never as big as Linux's driver development.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
The thing is though, is OSX86 really going to be that clean and cut? I have the damned letters 'D' 'R' and 'M' looming around my head...no coincidence that Leopard is releasing same time as Longhorn.

But I certainly hope you're right, heh.

However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac."

what he means is, "we will TRY to not allow...", much like MS tried not have linux running on the xbox...

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
The thing is though, is OSX86 really going to be that clean and cut? I have the damned letters 'D' 'R' and 'M' looming around my head...no coincidence that Leopard is releasing same time as Longhorn.

But I certainly hope you're right, heh.

However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac."

what he means is, "we will TRY to not allow...", much like MS tried not have linux running on the xbox...

my thoughts exactly - i don't see a way apple can protect that stuff - i mean the dev packs are 3.6Ghz P4 with (im guessing) a goofy bios. There's nothing apple can do about the kernel- it's all open source. Whatever DRM they wanna have will have to run in the user space and there's nothing stopping people with adding kernel level emulation for whatever custom hardware apple might have.

Hell all you need is the frameworks and gui binaries and the rest (darwin) can be had for free.

 

[xospec1alk]

so for years apple fanbois have been saying how much better their macs are to our wintel machines...now what?

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
so for years apple fanbois have been saying how much better their macs are to our wintel machines...now what?

They say "Shut the fvck up" whenever you bring it up.

Trust me, I've tried.

 

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
so for years apple fanbois have been saying how much better their macs are to our wintel machines...now what?

It's not the hardware, it's the software.

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
so for years apple fanbois have been saying how much better their macs are to our wintel machines...now what?

It's not the hardware, it's the software.

Are you sure? Because I could have sworn that the fanbois love the hardware too.

 

[Syrch]

10 more minutes im almost done boss...err wait this is ATOT.....

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
so for years apple fanbois have been saying how much better their macs are to our wintel machines...now what?

It's not the hardware, it's the software.

Are you sure? Because I could have sworn that the fanbois love the hardware too.

OSX is far superior to Windows.

 

[irwincur]

I'm sure i'll have osx on my poweredge before 2007.

Huh, why not just install FreeBSD. Then you can have OSX now. They are essentially the same.

OSX is far superior to Windows.

That's a fairly broad statement. Having worked with Unix for some time, yes it can be. However, any Unix varient is only as good and secure as the software dumped on top of it. I suspect that the day this happens, and OS-X fever hits the nerd world, people will quickly see the cracks in Apples armor. In its current state OS-X is not nearly as hardened as it probably should be.

Windows at this point is actually pretty damn good at a lot of things. Also considering that it is the number one target of every hacker on the planet, they have come a long way. Unix has its own issues, and an open install is as dangerous or moreso than a Windows install.

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
so for years apple fanbois have been saying how much better their macs are to our wintel machines...now what?

It's not the hardware, it's the software.

Are you sure? Because I could have sworn that the fanbois love the hardware too.

OSX is far superior to Windows.

??? Read.

 

[fs5]

Apple is an experiece. All the hardware is designed in such a way that you become attached to it. All white, iMacs, keyboards, and mice and an OS theme/design to match.

Nothing Dell/Gateway/Alienware puts out gives an users attachment to their devices.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
so for years apple fanbois have been saying how much better their macs are to our wintel machines...now what?

It's not the hardware, it's the software.

Are you sure? Because I could have sworn that the fanbois love the hardware too.

The dual g5 was about even with the top of the line x86 boxes (smp xenon) in all the banchmark i've seen. I think the problem is that IBM can't up the clock fast/cheap enough.

For me it's always been the software. OSX has been running circles around windows for couple of years now...

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
so for years apple fanbois have been saying how much better their macs are to our wintel machines...now what?

It's not the hardware, it's the software.

Are you sure? Because I could have sworn that the fanbois love the hardware too.

It's not the hardware, it's the software.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: fs5
Apple is an experiece. All the hardware is designed in such a way that you become attached to it. All white, iMacs, keyboards, and mice and an OS theme/design to match.

Nothing Dell/Gateway/Alienware puts out gives an users attachment to their devices.

No, the attachment comes from the fact that most Mac users are clingy emo fools who spend their day listening to sad music and writing blogs about their sorrow.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: irwincur

I'm sure i'll have osx on my poweredge before 2007.

Huh, why not just install FreeBSD. Then you can have OSX now. They are essentially the same.

OSX is far superior to Windows.

That's a fairly broad statement. Having worked with Unix for some time, yes it can be. However, any Unix varient is only as good and secure as the software dumped on top of it. I suspect that the day this happens, and OS-X fever hits the nerd world, people will quickly see the cracks in Apples armor. In its current state OS-X is not nearly as hardened as it probably should be.

Windows at this point is actually pretty damn good at a lot of things. Also considering that it is the number one target of every hacker on the planet, they have come a long way. Unix has its own issues, and an open install is as dangerous or moreso than a Windows install.

It's all about the UI. Much like linux, *BSD has no standard interface or toolkit so it's hardly practical in a desktop setting. And the BSD style ports suck even compared to what gentoo's got.

As far as Unix and Windows security goes, Windows still has virtually no permission based filesystem and most of the services run as an Admin, which doesn't help either. Even the RPC exploit that caused headaches world wide could've been prevented with that - in unix at most the service would've been overflowed, but that still wouldn't allow it to reboot the box.