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How long before THIS guy has a death mark on his head?

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scauffiel

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Wow, this is a powerful read.

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<< Look at the last 50-odd years, since the colonial powers left. What have the Arabs accomplished? What have they built? Where in the Arab world is there a trace or a spark of democracy? Of constitutionalism? Of laws independent of the ruler's whim? Of free inquiry? Of open public debate? Where in your house is there any article stamped "Made in Syria?" >>



Hooboy. Of course, I entirely agree with him.

Pretty much.

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<< Truth can sometimes be dangerous. >>



That is so true. When I told my babysitter that she had a large butt when I was little, she punished me.
 


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<< Truth can sometimes be dangerous. >>



That is so true. When I told my babysitter that she had a large butt when I was little, she punished me. >>




hahhahaha.....lmao
 


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<< Truth can sometimes be dangerous. >>



That is so true. When I told my babysitter that she had a large butt when I was little, she punished me. >>

She sat on you didn't she?



Good article.
 
Geeze, a lot of good quotes in this article. One I particularly liked

<< These people are hopeless. We are all supposed to support the notion of a Palestinian state. Why? We know perfectly well what it would be like. Why should we wish for another gangster-satrapy to be added to the Arab roll of shame, busy manufacturing terrorists to come here and slaughter Americans in their offices? I don't want to see a Palestinian state. I think I'd be crazy to want that. >>

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<< When I say "the best option," I don't mean "best for the Palestinians". I don't think they have any good options. Being Arabs, they are incapable of constructing a rational polity, so their future is probably hopeless whatever happens. Their options are the ones I listed above: to be ruled by gangsters, or Israelis, or Jordanians, or welfare bureaucrats. Or to go live somewhere else, under the gentle rule of their brother Arabs. Would expulsion be hard on the Palestinians? I suppose it would. Would it be any harder than options 1 thru 4? I doubt it. Do I really give a flying falafel one way or the other? No, not really. >>

 
Only the national review... 🙂 Not that I'm refuting it.
Hey now that I think about it... wth happened to my subscription??

Edit for closer read:
"I don't think they have any good options. Being Arabs, they are incapable of constructing a rational polity, so their future is probably hopeless whatever happens."

That's just a downright stupid and dangerous stance to take. You're only pissing them off more by shoving them off into some dark corner. UN or something really just needs to go in there and seriously bitch slap Palestine AND Israel--not that it will ever happen.
 


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That's just a downright stupid and dangerous stance to take. You're only pissing them off more by shoving them off into some dark corner. UN or something really just needs to go in there and seriously bitch slap Palestine AND Israel--not that it will ever happen. >>




I wonder if the EU or UN should bitchslap Russia and Chechnya, especially after today's bombing that killed 30+, including children. Like that is going to solve anything.

And I'm still trying to figure out what Isreal did that deserves the world's condemnation. What am I missing?
 


<< That's just a downright stupid and dangerous stance to take. >>

Perhaps so but he is still right. Name an arab country that you'd want to live in. You can't can you?
 


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That's just a downright stupid and dangerous stance to take. You're only pissing them off more by shoving them off into some dark corner. UN or something really just needs to go in there and seriously bitch slap Palestine AND Israel--not that it will ever happen. >>




I wonder if the EU or UN should bitchslap Russia and Chechnya, especially after today's bombing that killed 30+, including children. Like that is going to solve anything.

And I'm still trying to figure out what Isreal did that deserves the world's condemnation. What am I missing? >>



Ditto...
 


<< Only the national review... 🙂 Not that I'm refuting it.
Hey now that I think about it... wth happened to my subscription??

Edit for closer read:
"I don't think they have any good options. Being Arabs, they are incapable of constructing a rational polity, so their future is probably hopeless whatever happens."

That's just a downright stupid and dangerous stance to take. You're only pissing them off more by shoving them off into some dark corner. UN or something really just needs to go in there and seriously bitch slap Palestine AND Israel--not that it will ever happen. >>



The UN is a bunch of wussies. Operation Grow Sack has been attempted by the UN before, and it didnt work. I see no reason why it would work now, and I dont think we should send US servicemen into the area to die for the dumbasses over there. They havent worked it out yet, and the only way the Middle East will ever be peaceful is if it is turned into a parking lot, or otherwise made uninhabitable. I'm not advocating that, just that I dont see a practical way out.
 


<< Truth can sometimes be dangerous. >>



The Truth is almost always dangerous, which is perhaps why we see so little of it.
 


<< Edit for closer read:
"I don't think they have any good options. Being Arabs, they are incapable of constructing a rational polity, so their future is probably hopeless whatever happens."
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It was a good article....but being the editor of a magazine in the western media, he shouldnt have been as cruel as the above line.


So it had to take the murder of young israelis to swing the sympathy towards israel among a particular shameless bandwagon group of christians who lately have been thinking muslims are not the problem but israel problems are the reason why america was attacked.
 


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That's just a downright stupid and dangerous stance to take. You're only pissing them off more by shoving them off into some dark corner. UN or something really just needs to go in there and seriously bitch slap Palestine AND Israel--not that it will ever happen. >>




I wonder if the EU or UN should bitchslap Russia and Chechnya, especially after today's bombing that killed 30+, including children. Like that is going to solve anything.

And I'm still trying to figure out what Isreal did that deserves the world's condemnation. What am I missing? >>



Ditto... >>



I hope Russia goes in and wipes out all the fvckers in Chechnya. After this and the videos of the soldiers getting killed, i really hope they kill them all. Those are not humans and don't deserve to live.

Article is pretty damn true. It names arabs and not muslims as the ones that have not achieved anything. There are a few muslim countries that have done a lot better.
 


<< I hope Russia goes in and wipes out all the fvckers in Chechnya. After this and the videos of the soldiers getting killed, i really hope they kill them all. Those are not humans and don't deserve to live. >>



do you really think the russians will be able to find the people responsable? dream on, they've never found em in afghanistan, or in chechnya, the only people they'll find are some poor suckers who didn't have the $$$ to get out. Same goes for the israeli/palestinian situation.

And that guy is spot on, israel is keeping up their policy of expansion, it's rather clear they aren't interested in peace, there has been no progress since israel abandoned the taba conference. They'll just slowly keep expanding their colonies and kick arabs out of their houses as they need land. Hey it isn't pretty, but what does a country have to do when it needs lebensraum?

Pleasant




 


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That's just a downright stupid and dangerous stance to take. You're only pissing them off more by shoving them off into some dark corner. UN or something really just needs to go in there and seriously bitch slap Palestine AND Israel--not that it will ever happen. >>




I wonder if the EU or UN should bitchslap Russia and Chechnya, especially after today's bombing that killed 30+, including children. Like that is going to solve anything.
And I'm still trying to figure out what Isreal did that deserves the world's condemnation. What am I missing? >>




I said the UN won't ever do anything, but I think it's the only thing that will ever solve the Israel/Palestine situation--it just won't happen though. IMO, the US trying to solve it alone by "peacekeeping" means is the worst possible idea ever. That just opens us up to be the target for all sorts of mayhem. [oversimplifiedexplanation] Unfortunately, we already missed our golden for prospects in the Middle East when Jimmy "Peanut-Farmer" Carter declined the Shah of Iran on the offer to develop oil interests in the country. It all went downhill from there. [/oversimplifiedexplanation]




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<< That's just a downright stupid and dangerous stance to take. >>



Perhaps so but he is still right. Name an arab country that you'd want to live in. You can't can you? >>




Nope, I sure can't. 🙂 That doesn't mean shunning them to fester on their own is a great solution either.


Back to Israel vs. Palestine, neither "Isreal without bounds" nor "conquer the infidels" are ideals that thrill me, nor are they ideals suited for peace. The fact that these are fundamental beliefs of each society makes peace so unattainable; the UN can't go in and reprogram beliefs developed from thousands of years of culture. If the UN or some force were to mediate these disputes, the only way I can foresee it being done is to give Palestine a state and West Banks/Gaza, give Israel what they have, strictly moderate the area, and make Jerusalem a split or sort of Vatican type state and strongly monitored. It's the only way it could possibly work, and even that is slim.
 


<< [ Hey it isn't pretty, but what does a country have to do when it needs lebensraum?

Pleasant >>



I have to ask you in a rant about Jews and Israel why you are using a german term for living space Adolph made famous in Mein Kampf and that in the quest for said lebensraum murdered a few million Jews?
 


<< I have to ask you in a rant about Jews and Israel why you are using a german term for living space Adolph made famous in Mein Kampf and that in the quest for said lebensraum murdered a few million Jews? >>



because it seems rather fitting.

There are alot of people who are believing in deporting people from their homes because people think they are backwards. That's what the author meant in alot more words, and apparently many influential people seem to think the same.

That's exactly the same thing what nazi germany did at the start of the war, they cleansed territories because they needed space for their citizens who were much more productive than the backwards people which inhabited them.

I'm not talking about the Endlosung period, i'm talking start of the war, 39/40/41.

I guess i'll have to excuse myself for thinking about the nazi's when i hear words like backwards people and deportation.

Pleasant

PS. here's some direct quotes which will illustrate my point quite nicely:

"These people [the arabs as a whole] are hopeless"

"Being Arabs, they are incapable of constructing a rational polity, so their future is probably hopeless whatever happens."

" [The Palestinians] have been huddled in some squalid refugee camp ever since, living off UNRWA handouts."

Same kind of propaganda like the nazi crap in the thirties, when they labeled jews to live on the costs of society, as savages, thugs, and exploiters.
 
That's the context in which I see the Palestinians. The Palestinians are Arabs; and the Arabs, whatever their medieval achievements (as best I can understand, they were mainly achievements of transmission ? "Arabic" numerals, for example, came from India) are politically hopeless. Who can dispute this? Look at the last 50-odd years, since the colonial powers left. What have the Arabs accomplished? What have they built? Where in the Arab world is there a trace or a spark of democracy? Of constitutionalism? Of laws independent of the ruler's whim? Of free inquiry? Of open public debate? Where in your house is there any article stamped "Made in Syria?" Arabs can be individually very charming and capable, and perform very well in free societies like the U.S.A. There are at least two recent Nobel prizes with Arab names attached. Collectively, though, as nations, the Arabs are no-hopers.


Thats the best read I have seen in a long time! it is so true.
 
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