How long before the new generation video cards show up on notebooks?

Abhi

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The ATI 9800 has just recently shown up on notebooks... So i guess the next gen. of cards (x800/6800) will take time...

My question is, with the huge power requirements of these video cards, can we even expect them on notebooks?
 

Mermaidman

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"huge power requirements "

Ding ding ding ding ding! (And also huge heat output)
I'd be surprised if they squeeze these monsters into a laptop smaller than a pizza box without seriously crippling them. Then again, I'm wrong 95% of the time.
 

Smbu

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The dell inspiron XPS has the 256mb ati radeon 9800 offered as an upgrade.
 

ai42

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Have any of you guys played with a XPS with the R9800? I have and man that thing is a friggin heater. It is nothing like my trusty IBM R50.

Anyway obviously latest generation video cards have huge power requirements, as well as a great deal of heat dissipation. So therefore it is very hard to implement them into a mobile platform. I say don't hold your breath I don't see why a 6800 or X800 won't be in a laptop eventually but that is the key. R9800 is about 1.5 years old, and now its just coming to market in laptop form. So my answer is about 1.5 years.
 

ActuaryTm

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Originally posted by: Abhi
The ATI 9800 has just recently shown up on notebooks... So i guess the next gen. of cards (x800/6800) will take time...
PCIe should be available in the mobility market the end of the fourth quarter of this year, or the early part of the first quarter of 2005.
 

Abhi

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Originally posted by: ai42
Have any of you guys played with a XPS with the R9800? I have and man that thing is a friggin heater. It is nothing like my trusty IBM R50.

Anyway obviously latest generation video cards have huge power requirements, as well as a great deal of heat dissipation. So therefore it is very hard to implement them into a mobile platform. I say don't hold your breath I don't see why a 6800 or X800 won't be in a laptop eventually but that is the key. R9800 is about 1.5 years old, and now its just coming to market in laptop form. So my answer is about 1.5 years.

Ouch.

By that logic.... the R9800 will be the best mobile gaming solution till early 2006 !!

:disgust:
 

manko

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The Mobile 6800 is due in sometime in November in at least one Clevo (Sager) model. Hopefully, once Nvidia makes the official announcement, we'll hear about more design wins.

The Mobility 9800 is X800 core based (many articles have confirmed this). So no, it's not 1.5 years old. It's just ATI's weird naming scheme again (just as the Mobility 9700 had no relation to the desktop version). It's trivial for ATI to make a PCI-E version of the Mobility 9800 and call it a Mobility X800. I guess that's the reason for the misleading name...so the "X" in Mobility products will mean PCI-E.

I'm expecting to hear about the Mobility X800 before the end of the year. Especially if Nvidia does announce the 6800 Go in November, I'm sure ATI will want to show they have a competing product. I would guess we'll see the Mobility X800 in the next generation Dell XPS, but I don't know if that will be released before the end of the year.

There's also a very speculative rumor of a possible 12-pipeline Mobility X800 Pro, which probably wouldn't appear until quite a while after the standard 8-pipeline Mobility X800. I have no idea if that's true.

I have seen mention and benches of a Mobile 6600 Go and I would guess ATI may have a Mobility X700 up their sleeve too. I don't expect to see either of those until early next year after the high-end flagship mobile GPUs are released. I'm guessing those two chips will be power conscious, mid-range successors that will find their way into Alviso/Sonoma next generation Pentium-M notebooks. Maybe we'll see those in February-March.

Anyway, we should at least hear official announcments of the mobile 6800 and X800 within the next couple months. But remember, the power and cooling requirements of the highest end cards mean they will only be found in bigger, heavier P4 and A64 desktop replacement machines. I highly doubt we'll see either of them with a Pentium-M (unless it's a big, desktop replacement-sized P-M).
 

manko

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Yep, I started another thread about the official release of the Geforce Go 6800 and Anand's preview of the M28. I guess I was right that ATI wasn't going to be far behind with their counterpunch after Nvidia released their new mobile 6800. It's funny that ATI still doesn't want to release the official name of the M28, but they're perfectly happy to send out test units to steal some of Nvidia's launch day thunder.

Nvidia Unveils the new GeForce Go 6800 - ATI M28 in two weeks

It looks like both the Geforce Go 6800 and M28/Mobility Radeon X800 are 12-pipeline powerhouses that raise notebook graphics performance up another notch from the apparently short-lived Mobility 9800.

 

Rike

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Alienware is now offering a 6800Go here. And you'll only have to sell your first born to get it!;)
 

uOpt

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Where does the information about the power requirements come from?

Are there any hard numbers that this generation takes more power than the FX GO class chips?