How long before Israel takes out Iran's nuclear reactor?

[Riprorin]

The Europeans will wring their hands and do nothing.

It will most assuredly fall on Israel to do the dirty work.

 

[NJDevil]

Why should the Europeans care? Iran isn't a threat to them. As disappointed as I am with Europe on some issues, why should they put another country's interests before their own? Do you expect Americans to do the same? To us, taking out Iraq seemed like the right thing to do, but none of the other European countries cared enough, it wasn't an issue to them.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Why should the Europeans care? Iran isn't a threat to them. As disappointed as I am with Europe on some issues, why should they put another country's interests before their own? Do you expect Americans to do the same? To us, taking out Iraq seemed like the right thing to do, but none of the other European countries cared enough, it wasn't an issue to them.

The missile defense in place pretty much ensures that Iran is going for the hat trick if they loose the reactor.

- defy the West

- build the bomb

- use it

If I was them that's exactly what I would do since that's the only thing that would ensure some sense of safety.

Nobody in their right mind is going to weep for Israel if they attack first and get pounded to dust.

It would be a completely different story if Iran attacked first and they know it.

Right now I'm watching to see if Israel will in fact attack first like they did to Iraq. Only reason they did it then is because they were quite sure that Iraq did not yet have the bomb and was unable to use it.

Of course what's to stop the US from accidently launching a couple of missles to pound that site to dust. It's not like Iran can retaliate, except for attacking areas where there are US troops. At least they can't reach US soil.

Yet.

 

[Riprorin]

Who's going to pound Israel into the dust? The Arabs have tried many times before without much success.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Why should the Europeans care? Iran isn't a threat to them. As disappointed as I am with Europe on some issues, why should they put another country's interests before their own? Do you expect Americans to do the same? To us, taking out Iraq seemed like the right thing to do, but none of the other European countries cared enough, it wasn't an issue to them.

What exactly are you disappointed with regarding Europe?

Let the middle east battle it out, they will do it anyway. Iraq will either face civil war and turn into Iran2 or not face civil war and turn into Iran2. (which means that the opressed, you know the kurds you relied on, will be placed between your "ally" Turkey who are more than happy to shoot them and a new country which will also be happy to shoot them)

Israel got nukes behind everyones back, but that was ok, now Iran are about to do the same, and quite frankly i am more worried about Israel going berzerk than Iran.

What did you expect anyway, that the middle east wouldn't start to try to get means to make sure they can be left alone?

Christ, after the stupidity regarding Iraq and the made up BS regarding WMD's, you damn well better get a good deterrent if you don't want to be attacked.

To you, Iraq had stockpiles of WMD's, aluminum tubes which could only be used for one thing, uranium imports from nigeria and close relations to Al Quaida.

Europe saw no rush, they wanted the inspectors to finish their task, but the US already KNEW, not only that the stockpiles existed, they KNEW where they were and there was NO time to waste, Iraq was an IMMEDIATE threat.

Now we know who was wrong and who was right. A hot tip would be that Europe was, after all, right.

I know i know, it was never about WMD's and Bush's use of article 53 as a reason for war was probably just something he misspoke.

IOW, he and his administration meant freedom for Iraqis every time they talked about WMD's and Al Quaida connections and when the US admin asked if they wanted the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud they were talking about Iraqi's freedom.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Who's going to pound Israel into the dust? The Arabs have tried many times before without much success.

Can't believe i'm agreeing with Rip, but yea, they managed to survive in '48 just after they became their own nation. I also don't think Iran has nukes yet, if they did, the US intelligence would have known about it and we would have blown them up already. (Yes, I honestly think that our intelligence is still pretty damn good, even after Iraq).

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Who's going to pound Israel into the dust? The Arabs have tried many times before without much success.

Duh!! Maybe Iran attempting to build one would clue you in.

Maybe I'll repeat myself so the second time around you get the point.

If Israel strikes then it's likely because they think Iran doesn't have the bomb. Assuming they don't then they will probably be fine behind their wall of anti-missiles.

 

[Ozoned]

I don't know. Maybe 2 weeks?????

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Who's going to pound Israel into the dust? The Arabs have tried many times before without much success.

Duh!! Maybe Iran attempting to build one would clue you in.

"Attempting" being the operative word.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Why should the Europeans care? Iran isn't a threat to them. As disappointed as I am with Europe on some issues, why should they put another country's interests before their own? Do you expect Americans to do the same? To us, taking out Iraq seemed like the right thing to do, but none of the other European countries cared enough, it wasn't an issue to them.

What exactly are you disappointed with regarding Europe?

Let the middle east battle it out, they will do it anyway. Iraq will either face civil war and turn into Iran2 or not face civil war and turn into Iran2. (which means that the opressed, you know the kurds you relied on, will be placed between your "ally" Turkey who are more than happy to shoot them and a new country which will also be happy to shoot them)

Israel got nukes behind everyones back, but that was ok, now Iran are about to do the same, and quite frankly i am more worried about Israel going berzerk than Iran.

What did you expect anyway, that the middle east wouldn't start to try to get means to make sure they can be left alone?

Christ, after the stupidity regarding Iraq and the made up BS regarding WMD's, you damn well better get a good deterrent if you don't want to be attacked.

To you, Iraq had stockpiles of WMD's, aluminum tubes which could only be used for one thing, uranium imports from nigeria and close relations to Al Quaida.

Europe saw no rush, they wanted the inspectors to finish their task, but the US already KNEW, not only that the stockpiles existed, they KNEW where they were and there was NO time to waste, Iraq was an IMMEDIATE threat.

Now we know who was wrong and who was right. A hot tip would be that Europe was, after all, right.

I know i know, it was never about WMD's and Bush's use of article 53 as a reason for war was probably just something he misspoke.

IOW, he and his administration meant freedom for Iraqis every time they talked about WMD's and Al Quaida connections and when the US admin asked if they wanted the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud they were talking about Iraqi's freedom.

I'm disappointed with Europe not because they didn't support the Iraq war (I don't support it either), but because they had a lot of investment/dirty laundry with them.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Who's going to pound Israel into the dust? The Arabs have tried many times before without much success.

Duh!! Maybe Iran attempting to build one would clue you in.

"Attempting" being the operative word.

What's your point? Do you enjoy disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Who's going to pound Israel into the dust? The Arabs have tried many times before without much success.

Are you that stupid, really?

A terror balance is all that is needed, Iran having nukes would help that balance, i am for it.

Let Iran have their nukes.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Why should the Europeans care? Iran isn't a threat to them. As disappointed as I am with Europe on some issues, why should they put another country's interests before their own? Do you expect Americans to do the same? To us, taking out Iraq seemed like the right thing to do, but none of the other European countries cared enough, it wasn't an issue to them.

What exactly are you disappointed with regarding Europe?

Let the middle east battle it out, they will do it anyway. Iraq will either face civil war and turn into Iran2 or not face civil war and turn into Iran2. (which means that the opressed, you know the kurds you relied on, will be placed between your "ally" Turkey who are more than happy to shoot them and a new country which will also be happy to shoot them)

Israel got nukes behind everyones back, but that was ok, now Iran are about to do the same, and quite frankly i am more worried about Israel going berzerk than Iran.

What did you expect anyway, that the middle east wouldn't start to try to get means to make sure they can be left alone?

Christ, after the stupidity regarding Iraq and the made up BS regarding WMD's, you damn well better get a good deterrent if you don't want to be attacked.

To you, Iraq had stockpiles of WMD's, aluminum tubes which could only be used for one thing, uranium imports from nigeria and close relations to Al Quaida.

Europe saw no rush, they wanted the inspectors to finish their task, but the US already KNEW, not only that the stockpiles existed, they KNEW where they were and there was NO time to waste, Iraq was an IMMEDIATE threat.

Now we know who was wrong and who was right. A hot tip would be that Europe was, after all, right.

I know i know, it was never about WMD's and Bush's use of article 53 as a reason for war was probably just something he misspoke.

IOW, he and his administration meant freedom for Iraqis every time they talked about WMD's and Al Quaida connections and when the US admin asked if they wanted the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud they were talking about Iraqi's freedom.

I'm disappointed with Europe not because they didn't support the Iraq war (I don't support it either), but because they had a lot of investment/dirty laundry with them.

So did, and still does, the US and other Western powers (Canada included).

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Who's going to pound Israel into the dust? The Arabs have tried many times before without much success.

Are you that stupid, really?

A terror balance is all that is needed, Iran having nukes would help that balance, i am for it.

Let Iran have their nukes.

Look what happend to North Korea. Having nukes makes a world of difference.

The Iranian hardliners are just drooling over the possibility of having a couple dozen to deter anyone from messing with them.

Rightly so. If I was a tiny nation that has a bad rep with a superpower I would be the first in line to buy/build an equalizer.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Why should the Europeans care? Iran isn't a threat to them. As disappointed as I am with Europe on some issues, why should they put another country's interests before their own? Do you expect Americans to do the same? To us, taking out Iraq seemed like the right thing to do, but none of the other European countries cared enough, it wasn't an issue to them.

What exactly are you disappointed with regarding Europe?

Let the middle east battle it out, they will do it anyway. Iraq will either face civil war and turn into Iran2 or not face civil war and turn into Iran2. (which means that the opressed, you know the kurds you relied on, will be placed between your "ally" Turkey who are more than happy to shoot them and a new country which will also be happy to shoot them)

Israel got nukes behind everyones back, but that was ok, now Iran are about to do the same, and quite frankly i am more worried about Israel going berzerk than Iran.

What did you expect anyway, that the middle east wouldn't start to try to get means to make sure they can be left alone?

Christ, after the stupidity regarding Iraq and the made up BS regarding WMD's, you damn well better get a good deterrent if you don't want to be attacked.

To you, Iraq had stockpiles of WMD's, aluminum tubes which could only be used for one thing, uranium imports from nigeria and close relations to Al Quaida.

Europe saw no rush, they wanted the inspectors to finish their task, but the US already KNEW, not only that the stockpiles existed, they KNEW where they were and there was NO time to waste, Iraq was an IMMEDIATE threat.

Now we know who was wrong and who was right. A hot tip would be that Europe was, after all, right.

I know i know, it was never about WMD's and Bush's use of article 53 as a reason for war was probably just something he misspoke.

IOW, he and his administration meant freedom for Iraqis every time they talked about WMD's and Al Quaida connections and when the US admin asked if they wanted the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud they were talking about Iraqi's freedom.

I'm disappointed with Europe not because they didn't support the Iraq war (I don't support it either), but because they had a lot of investment/dirty laundry with them.

Actually, so did the US.

And NOW, it isn't about Iraq deciding who is making the best job for the least money, right now the US controls all of the bidding, you could, without a doubt say that the US benefits from that.

So, yeah, we're a bit pissed about you screwing our contracts while making your own and not allowing us to even compete for them.

I guess the Iraq war was a war based on lies to get nice contracts? I mean, if you would call the oil for food contracts shady, what would you call what is going on NOW?

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I guess the Iraq war was a war based on lies to get nice contracts? I mean, if you would call the oil for food contracts shady, what would you call what is going on NOW?

Business as usual? *snicker* :beer:

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Who's going to pound Israel into the dust? The Arabs have tried many times before without much success.

Are you that stupid, really?

A terror balance is all that is needed, Iran having nukes would help that balance, i am for it.

Let Iran have their nukes.

Look what happend to North Korea. Having nukes makes a world of difference.

The Iranian hardliners are just drooling over the possibility of having a couple dozen to deter anyone from messing with them.

Rightly so. If I was a tiny nation that has a bad rep with a superpower I would be the first in line to buy/build an equalizer.

I agree, it makes sense for them to do so and what has happened has made it more or less a requirement, either that or you can kiss the US's ass until you get invaded like Iraq.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I guess the Iraq war was a war based on lies to get nice contracts? I mean, if you would call the oil for food contracts shady, what would you call what is going on NOW?

Business as usual? *snicker* :beer:

Well, it's a fact now, so i'll have a beer and try to look the other way.

 

[MegaWorks]

I'm for the nukes, this will bring stability in the region. Cmon Iran hurry up!

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Why should the Europeans care? Iran isn't a threat to them. As disappointed as I am with Europe on some issues, why should they put another country's interests before their own? Do you expect Americans to do the same? To us, taking out Iraq seemed like the right thing to do, but none of the other European countries cared enough, it wasn't an issue to them.

What exactly are you disappointed with regarding Europe?

Let the middle east battle it out, they will do it anyway. Iraq will either face civil war and turn into Iran2 or not face civil war and turn into Iran2. (which means that the opressed, you know the kurds you relied on, will be placed between your "ally" Turkey who are more than happy to shoot them and a new country which will also be happy to shoot them)

Israel got nukes behind everyones back, but that was ok, now Iran are about to do the same, and quite frankly i am more worried about Israel going berzerk than Iran.

What did you expect anyway, that the middle east wouldn't start to try to get means to make sure they can be left alone?

Christ, after the stupidity regarding Iraq and the made up BS regarding WMD's, you damn well better get a good deterrent if you don't want to be attacked.

To you, Iraq had stockpiles of WMD's, aluminum tubes which could only be used for one thing, uranium imports from nigeria and close relations to Al Quaida.

Europe saw no rush, they wanted the inspectors to finish their task, but the US already KNEW, not only that the stockpiles existed, they KNEW where they were and there was NO time to waste, Iraq was an IMMEDIATE threat.

Now we know who was wrong and who was right. A hot tip would be that Europe was, after all, right.

I know i know, it was never about WMD's and Bush's use of article 53 as a reason for war was probably just something he misspoke.

IOW, he and his administration meant freedom for Iraqis every time they talked about WMD's and Al Quaida connections and when the US admin asked if they wanted the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud they were talking about Iraqi's freedom.

I'm disappointed with Europe not because they didn't support the Iraq war (I don't support it either), but because they had a lot of investment/dirty laundry with them.

Actually, so did the US.

And NOW, it isn't about Iraq deciding who is making the best job for the least money, right now the US controls all of the bidding, you could, without a doubt say that the US benefits from that.

So, yeah, we're a bit pissed about you screwing our contracts while making your own and not allowing us to even compete for them.

I guess the Iraq war was a war based on lies to get nice contracts? I mean, if you would call the oil for food contracts shady, what would you call what is going on NOW?

So Europeans were against the war because they wanted to protect their deals with Saddam, right?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The Europeans will wring their hands and do nothing.

It will most assuredly fall on Israel to do the dirty work.

If you look at Israel and Iran, i would say that Iran is a peaceful nation these days compared to Israel, and i say this even though i am a jew.

What do you want us to do? Invade Iran? LOL, based on what grounds? Should we make up a story and present intelligence handpicked to support it?

All we can do is hope they nuke Israel and Israel nukes them back, then you guys can buld a wal mart with a BIG fvcking parking lot.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Why should the Europeans care? Iran isn't a threat to them. As disappointed as I am with Europe on some issues, why should they put another country's interests before their own? Do you expect Americans to do the same? To us, taking out Iraq seemed like the right thing to do, but none of the other European countries cared enough, it wasn't an issue to them.

What exactly are you disappointed with regarding Europe?

Let the middle east battle it out, they will do it anyway. Iraq will either face civil war and turn into Iran2 or not face civil war and turn into Iran2. (which means that the opressed, you know the kurds you relied on, will be placed between your "ally" Turkey who are more than happy to shoot them and a new country which will also be happy to shoot them)

Israel got nukes behind everyones back, but that was ok, now Iran are about to do the same, and quite frankly i am more worried about Israel going berzerk than Iran.

What did you expect anyway, that the middle east wouldn't start to try to get means to make sure they can be left alone?

Christ, after the stupidity regarding Iraq and the made up BS regarding WMD's, you damn well better get a good deterrent if you don't want to be attacked.

To you, Iraq had stockpiles of WMD's, aluminum tubes which could only be used for one thing, uranium imports from nigeria and close relations to Al Quaida.

Europe saw no rush, they wanted the inspectors to finish their task, but the US already KNEW, not only that the stockpiles existed, they KNEW where they were and there was NO time to waste, Iraq was an IMMEDIATE threat.

Now we know who was wrong and who was right. A hot tip would be that Europe was, after all, right.

I know i know, it was never about WMD's and Bush's use of article 53 as a reason for war was probably just something he misspoke.

IOW, he and his administration meant freedom for Iraqis every time they talked about WMD's and Al Quaida connections and when the US admin asked if they wanted the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud they were talking about Iraqi's freedom.

I'm disappointed with Europe not because they didn't support the Iraq war (I don't support it either), but because they had a lot of investment/dirty laundry with them.

Actually, so did the US.

And NOW, it isn't about Iraq deciding who is making the best job for the least money, right now the US controls all of the bidding, you could, without a doubt say that the US benefits from that.

So, yeah, we're a bit pissed about you screwing our contracts while making your own and not allowing us to even compete for them.

I guess the Iraq war was a war based on lies to get nice contracts? I mean, if you would call the oil for food contracts shady, what would you call what is going on NOW?

So Europeans were against the war because they wanted to protect their deals with Saddam, right?

Don't try to stick every European nation into the same boat as a couple that actualy did do that. Your spinning is horrible so I suggest you stop doing it.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The Europeans will wring their hands and do nothing.

It will most assuredly fall on Israel to do the dirty work.

If you look at Israel and Iran, i would say that Iran is a peaceful nation these days compared to Israel, and i say this even though i am a jew.

What do you want us to do? Invade Iran? LOL, based on what grounds? Should we make up a story and present intelligence handpicked to support it?

All we can do is hope they nuke Israel and Israel nukes them back, then you guys can buld a wal mart with a BIG fvcking parking lot.

LOL! good one:laugh:

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Don't try to stick every European nation into the same boat as a couple that actualy did do that. Your spinning is horrible so I suggest you stop doing it.

Not every nation, but isn't it funny that Germany, France, and Russia all had deals going with Saddam?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Why should the Europeans care? Iran isn't a threat to them. As disappointed as I am with Europe on some issues, why should they put another country's interests before their own? Do you expect Americans to do the same? To us, taking out Iraq seemed like the right thing to do, but none of the other European countries cared enough, it wasn't an issue to them.

What exactly are you disappointed with regarding Europe?

Let the middle east battle it out, they will do it anyway. Iraq will either face civil war and turn into Iran2 or not face civil war and turn into Iran2. (which means that the opressed, you know the kurds you relied on, will be placed between your "ally" Turkey who are more than happy to shoot them and a new country which will also be happy to shoot them)

Israel got nukes behind everyones back, but that was ok, now Iran are about to do the same, and quite frankly i am more worried about Israel going berzerk than Iran.

What did you expect anyway, that the middle east wouldn't start to try to get means to make sure they can be left alone?

Christ, after the stupidity regarding Iraq and the made up BS regarding WMD's, you damn well better get a good deterrent if you don't want to be attacked.

To you, Iraq had stockpiles of WMD's, aluminum tubes which could only be used for one thing, uranium imports from nigeria and close relations to Al Quaida.

Europe saw no rush, they wanted the inspectors to finish their task, but the US already KNEW, not only that the stockpiles existed, they KNEW where they were and there was NO time to waste, Iraq was an IMMEDIATE threat.

Now we know who was wrong and who was right. A hot tip would be that Europe was, after all, right.

I know i know, it was never about WMD's and Bush's use of article 53 as a reason for war was probably just something he misspoke.

IOW, he and his administration meant freedom for Iraqis every time they talked about WMD's and Al Quaida connections and when the US admin asked if they wanted the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud they were talking about Iraqi's freedom.

I'm disappointed with Europe not because they didn't support the Iraq war (I don't support it either), but because they had a lot of investment/dirty laundry with them.

Actually, so did the US.

And NOW, it isn't about Iraq deciding who is making the best job for the least money, right now the US controls all of the bidding, you could, without a doubt say that the US benefits from that.

So, yeah, we're a bit pissed about you screwing our contracts while making your own and not allowing us to even compete for them.

I guess the Iraq war was a war based on lies to get nice contracts? I mean, if you would call the oil for food contracts shady, what would you call what is going on NOW?

So Europeans were against the war because they wanted to protect their deals with Saddam, right?

You presented your case, it consisted of aluminum tubes that you said could be used only for one thing, a couple of pics of some vans and some school kids essay regarding uranium from nigeria, you were laughed right out of the room.

The Europeans opposed the war because there were nothing to go to war about at the point, we wanted the inspectors to finish their jobs, you wanted them to get out so you could invade, no time to waste you KNEW there were vast stockpiles, you knew WHERE too and you didn't want the "smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud over manhattan".

Well, you were wrong, what can i say, your president lied to you and you still swallow everything, either you are stupid or you are just daft.