How Long $500K Will Last in Retirement in Each State.

Mai72

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/ret...l-last-in-retirement-in-each-state/ss-AAzw8YK

Spending is coming strictly from savings and doesn't take SS into account. Also, there are a ton of variables to consider. People tend to spend less. They don't go on as many trips when they're older. But, illnesses and accidents start to become more pronounced which offsets the trips and spending lifestyle of a young person. Also, it doesn't count assets like owning a home, stocks, rental property. That's why IMO passive income is a muist when you're younger, so you have money coming in while you're retired. Hell, even when you're asleep so you're not trading your time for money. But, that's for another discussion.

The worst state is Hawaii. $500K will last a little over 5 years. The best state is Mississippi to retire in with $500k lasting about 12 years. The cost of living in Mississippi is super cheap. That could all change by the time you retire though. The average is between 8-10 years for most states.

I always say that you should do the math. I had a coworker who was bragging that he could reitre at 45. He has about $250k in the bank and lives in a trailer. So, his expenses are low. But then I told him to do the math. If you lived for another 30 years, that's 250/30 and it's alittle over $8k a yea. I guess if he wants to eat dog food for the rest of his life then he should go for it. Maybe I'm wrong but it just seems that most people are underestimiating what they'll need to retire on, and many think that theu can somehow get thru with ZERO-little savings at 60, and then they'll start to save. It doesn't work like that. The compound effect is an amazing tool, but it takes years, even decades until you start seeing results.

So, how much should you have before making the leap into retirement? IMO, at least $1m dollars. If $500k is going to last about 10 years. Simple math, that's $50k. That's not including taxes, illnesses not covered by insurance, things going wrong in life, and inflation. That's from 65 to 75. If you live to 85 which is very possible with our health care system today, then you should have at least $1m, and maybe even a bit more to take you to 85 plus. So then, you're not a burden on the government and your family when and if you do run out of money.

BTW, the cost of living in the states is why I saw so many old expats in SE Asia.The dollor goes much farther so you could get by with a smaller amount of savings or pension. Not idea, but doable.
 

Raincity

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Planning our retirement in Philippines since our money will go farther and be able to live a more active life doing constant mini trips than staying home in the states avoiding spending money.
 

lxskllr

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I have everything I *need* already. That's cash(<$500k), a backpack, boots, a pair of kitties, and competence. I'm good.
 
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njdevilsfan87

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Why do so many people focus on retirement, when working less (20-30 hours / week) seems like a much better way to go? You won't end up getting bored and starting a FIRE blog simply because you've got nothing else to do or feel a lack of purpose, and you'll provide yourself with the income you need to stay at break-even while the rest of your pile keeps compounding.

I'm at a point where I still work full time, but only under the condition that it's extremely flexible (work from home, spread my hours out, lots of PTO, etc). My next step will be to simply work less (~25 hours a week), while maintaining work flexibility and vacation time. I could probably work like that indefinitely.
 

Mai72

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Why do so many people focus on retirement, when working less (20-30 hours / week) seems like a much better way to go? You won't end up getting bored and starting a FIRE blog simply because you've got nothing else to do or feel a lack of purpose, and you'll provide yourself with the income you need to stay at break-even while the rest of your pile keeps compounding.

I'm at a point where I still work full time, but only under the condition that it's extremely flexible (work from home, spread my hours out, lots of PTO, etc). My next step will be to simply work less (~25 hours a week), while maintaining work flexibility and vacation time. I could probably work like that indefinitely.

Oh, I agree.

I like that type of lifestyle. The thing is though that you need to have the discipline to not buy the huge home, designer clothes, iPhone every year, $50k car, and $10k in credit card debt. You know. The things that keep us as slaves until the day we die. It has been shown that time freedom is what will keep you happy. The freedom to do the things you love, because you aren't working 50 plus hours a week to just stay afloat.
 

Mai72

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Planning our retirement in Philippines since our money will go farther and be able to live a more active life doing constant mini trips than staying home in the states avoiding spending money.

When I was living in Bangkok, Thailand I was really suprised to find their hospitals in excellent condition. The quality of live there was pretty excellent. Cost of living was so cheap. I had even read that Vietnam is much better.
 

Svnla

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Move to developing countries (especially Asia) and you would be to live very well with USD. Of course, you will have to deal with the unpleasant stuffs such as excessive noise, air and water quality, and horrible traffic, just to name a few.
 

snoopy7548

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Seems like these annual expenditures are on the high end. I'm anticipating $30-36k/year in expenses (assuming I'll have a paid-off house) during retirement, but I also don't take fancy vacations, buy new cars every two years, or need all the latest gadgets and eat every meal out. My goal is to retire when I hit $1M in retirement investments and switch to 2-3 day/week part time jobs and volunteer work. Hopefully I'll turn some of my hobbies into some side income before then, though.

Is Hawaii really that expensive? You'll need >$90k in retirement? How do people making <$90k live there now? Article smells like BS.
 

Mai72

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Seems like these annual expenditures are on the high end. I'm anticipating $30-36k/year in expenses (assuming I'll have a paid-off house) during retirement, but I also don't take fancy vacations, buy new cars every two years, or need all the latest gadgets and eat every meal out. My goal is to retire when I hit $1M in retirement investments and switch to 2-3 day/week part time jobs and volunteer work. Hopefully I'll turn some of my hobbies into some side income before then, though.

Is Hawaii really that expensive? You'll need >$90k in retirement? How do people making <$90k live there now? Article smells like BS.

City life probably. Which is always expensive. It's like living in NYC or in a neighboring city that has a much lower cost of living.
 

Red Squirrel

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I figured out how much I need to retire taking costs of living into account and I need several mil. Reality is though when I'm ready to retire I will probably move somewhere cheaper and live semi off grid. Less bills that way. Solar/wind for power, well and septic for water/sewer, wood for heat, and propane for backup heat/power (idealy I would not use a lot of it but it would be there for backup). Areas that allow for that also tend to have much smaller property taxes, which is really one of the major killers where I am now and it goes up by around 10% each year. I'd still wnat some form of internet, and probably insurance, so would still have those as reoccuring costs. Reoccurring costs are really the major killers in general as far as retirement goes. Any amount of money sitting in a pile is finite, but reoccurring costs arn't.

When I retire I'll probably want to still have some kind of income though. Like run some kind of small online gig or something. At least so that the retirement fund goes down slower. I do have a pension through work though so that would be a continuous income, but I don't want to count on just that because it can easily be taken away at some point. Every union agreement, the company tries to take stuff away from us. Eventually that might be on the table.
 

brianmanahan

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my goal is 1.75$m in order to retire by 45 or 50

plus i might still have a side project here or there
 

DigDog

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In the state of Oxaca $500k will keep you in rent,booze&coke for life.
 

Chaotic42

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Why do so many people focus on retirement, when working less (20-30 hours / week) seems like a much better way to go? You won't end up getting bored and starting a FIRE blog simply because you've got nothing else to do or feel a lack of purpose, and you'll provide yourself with the income you need to stay at break-even while the rest of your pile keeps compounding.

I'm at a point where I still work full time, but only under the condition that it's extremely flexible (work from home, spread my hours out, lots of PTO, etc). My next step will be to simply work less (~25 hours a week), while maintaining work flexibility and vacation time. I could probably work like that indefinitely.

Because you start to run into things like age discrimination, difficulty in keeping up with current technology/needs, medical issues preventing you from working as you get older, etc. If you have in-demand skills at 65, you're golden, but most people won't.
 
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Why do so many people focus on retirement, when working less (20-30 hours / week) seems like a much better way to go? You won't end up getting bored and starting a FIRE blog simply because you've got nothing else to do or feel a lack of purpose, and you'll provide yourself with the income you need to stay at break-even while the rest of your pile keeps compounding.

I'm at a point where I still work full time, but only under the condition that it's extremely flexible (work from home, spread my hours out, lots of PTO, etc). My next step will be to simply work less (~25 hours a week), while maintaining work flexibility and vacation time. I could probably work like that indefinitely.

Working less? I didn't even know working part time existed anymore outside of retail/fast food heh.
 

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DigDog

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Oxaca is as different from the mexican border as new york is from texas, you' not gonna see gangs if you go to Puerto Angels. Think a mixture between island paradise and rural european town. Gangs are where the money' at.

They still have drugs tho. Those are everywhere, and CHEAP. An 8ball is like $25, for $10 you get a quarter pound of weed.
 

Thebobo

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In the state of Oxaca $500k will keep you in rent,booze&coke for life.

Oaxaca? Ah yes the legendary state of the mythical Mexican Oaxaca weed. In the old days the wise ones would tell tales of hippies going down there to get the legendary weed but they ended up staying down there.

Anyway I could be convinced if they had reasonable internet.
 

ultimatebob

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The good news... my current retirement savings would last 6 years in Mississippi.

The bad news... I would need to live in Mississippi for 6 years. That's like an elderly redneck prison sentence, dawg.
 
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SKORPI0

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Planning our retirement in Philippines since our money will go farther and be able to live a more active life doing constant mini trips than staying home in the states avoiding spending money.
Good luck living with the horrendous city traffic, overcrowding, air/noise pollution, dirty streets, drinking water quality, summer heat/typhoons, very very slow internet. :eek:
 

Raincity

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Good luck living with the horrendous city traffic, overcrowding, air/noise pollution, dirty streets, drinking water quality, summer heat/typhoons, very very slow internet. :eek:

Its all dependent on the area were you reside. Don't live in the city and that cuts down on half the problems you posted. Drinking water can be treated at your expense. Learn to adjust to rainy season and dont give two squats about fast internet once I am retired.
 

Ken g6

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Good luck living with the horrendous city traffic, overcrowding, air/noise pollution, dirty streets, drinking water quality, summer heat/typhoons, very very slow internet. :eek:
You forgot the crazy president who's liable to have you executed for using any drugs you might want to use.