How Israel Lost the War in Lebanon

[Lemon law]

Wrong again Whipper Snapper,

The plan I am referring to was ongoing, fresh, and just not some out of date blueprint pulled from a dusty file cabinet like our plans for invading any random place in the world----the plan just backfired----big time.-----and now its an Israeli Public Relations diaster you are trying to spin into a glorious and justified Israeli victory.

You may think me similarly biased----but I am trying to see how both sides are wrong---and hopefully some way of defusing rather than building the hatreds. And that requires an open mind.

And instead I have to spend the bulk of my time debunking Israeli propaganda-----I will be happy to debunk Hezbollah propaganda when I see some posted.---and also don't ask me to justify the position of the USA either---I think its stupid and criminal also.

 

[imported_dna]

Lemon Law, perhaps you are unfamiliar with minor "details" such as that Hezbollah had their HQ in Beirut -- a bunker to which not even Lebanese army people could enter (talk about country in a country). As for rockets launched from Beirut, I recall reading a piece by a reporter, but I'm not gonna bother looking it up for you -- do your own legwork.

By the way, since when have you become an authority on International Law to be able to claim what a country may or may not do when under attack?

 

[Lemon law]

To dna,

You can post 25 tons of documents that prove many arabs are wrong---and some other fellow will post some 30 tons of equally valid documents showing why Israel is wrong.
Then you can post another 10 tons of documents----its not about documenting the past wrongs----they are beyond any counting by now---its about the present and how to move forward
and find some reasonable and lasting peace settlement.

Discard the emotional baggage that can only cloud your mind and judgement-----The truth will set you free.

 

[imported_dna]

I don't know, all I hear from you is a lot of rhetoric full or vague assertions, and ambiguous remarks. You speak of the future, yet your are unable to accurately recall the past.
Also, I suggest you stop watching The Matrix everyday -- it's starting to show through your posts.

 

[Lemon law]

Lets see----Hezbollah had some offices in Beirut------so Israel is justified in blowing up the whole entire city just to get the one office that may have already closed down and moved elsewhere.

Maybe in a full blown out and out war against another State----but not when you are dealing with just a terrorist organization.

Wake up---smell the coffee---this is not your Daddy's same war---now the enenemy of Israel is not the arab state---its the terrorists.

They don't fight fair---Israel does not fight fair---whats new there----ever think of defusing the hatreds instead of just the brute force method of the pea brained.---even an idiot like Rice at least understands that there are carrots in addition to sticks.

 

[imported_dna]

I see I'm gonna simply have to shut you up by pointing out your... ahem ..... "bias".

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets see----Hezbollah had some offices in Beirut------so Israel is justified in blowing up the whole entire city just to get the one office that may have already closed down and moved elsewhere.

1. I was talking about bunker
2. Prove that the entire city was "blown up"
3. A bunker cannot be closed down and moved, or at least I have yet to see one with wheels

Maybe in a full blown out and out war against another State----but not when you are dealing with just a terrorist organization.
...
They don't fight fair---Israel does not fight fair---whats new there----ever think of defusing the hatreds instead of just the brute force method of the pea brained.---even an idiot like Rice at least understands that there are carrots in addition to sticks.

Yawn.... More rhetoric. It would be nice if you showed me that carrot that would appease Nasrallah -- a man who also called for the destruction of Israel. I say he needs a carrot right between the eyes.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Discard the emotional baggage that can only cloud your mind and judgement-----The truth will set you free.

Here you go; I hope this truth will set you free:

Residents of Ain Ebel say Hezbollah has been drawing fire toward the Christian village by launching Katyusha rockets from the nearby tobacco fields, just a few hundred metres from Ms. Asrouni's home. The militants leave when Israel returns fire, witnesses said.

Found here, and more stuff here

Couldn't find that particular piece I was talking about, but as I've said earlier -- due to its actions, Hezbollah is guilty until proven innocent, and not the other way around.

 

[Lemon law]

You still don't get it do you dna---------you want me to read your 30 tons of documents proving the arabs are all wrong----you won't read the 30 tons of documents the arabs have that prove Israel is all wrong.

I don't believe your side and I don't believe the arab side-------in short both you turkeys are wrong-------and as long as you are stuck in the past you can't see a way forward.

That is what counts now-----a way forward.

 

[imported_dna]

Oh, enlightened one, please reveal onto us the way foraward.
(that is if you can stop being vague for 5 minutes)

 

[Lemon law]

I have already proposed putting this up as binding third party arbitration---which was how the 1906 sino-japenese war was solved.

Would that be acceptable to you?

 

[imported_dna]

I'm no expert on the Sino-Japanese war of 1906, but I know that the last time they fought was WW2, and it wasn't pretty.
Even today Japanse and Chinese don't like each other due to cultural reasons.
Only when the Arab world will stop brainwashing its children, then we'll be able to get somewhere.
Until then, you can bring as many third parties as you want, because nothing will bind (and we haven't even considered enforcement).

 

[Lemon law]

Sorry you flunked the history exam---it was actually the 1906 Russian and Japanese war---try something more recent---like the South Africa Truth and Reconcillian Commission.

Other people manage to solve deep differences and avoid future bloodshed---why should Arabs and Israelies be any different?

But if you, dna, want to be part of the solution instead part of the problem----look to yourself and your own self imposed brainwashing---before you try to unbrainwash others.

All you can do is moan and groan about all the arab sins while you turn a blind eye to Israeli sins----can't you see that this thinking is getting no one anywhere.---and that there is some person on the other side who is exactly an equally convinced prig and believes the Israeli is all wrong and the arabs are angels---the two of you are going to get nothing done except to manage to get a bunch of more people killed.

If you can't be part of a solution---don't be part of the problem.

 

[imported_dna]

I'm sorry, but in the world I come from, when someone says Sino-Japanese, it means China and Japan, and as I said, I was unfamiliar with it.
Now you pull a fast one, and tell me you were referring to the Russo-Japanese war, and that is just plain dirty.
Try to be more accurate with you "history" next time.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Sorry you flunked the history exam---it was actually the 1906 Russian and Japanese war---try something more recent---like the South Africa Truth and Reconcillian Commission.
No he flunked nothing! As usual you were being vague!
Other people manage to solve deep differences and avoid future bloodshed---why should Arabs and Israelies be any different?
very simple. the arabs want the total destruction of israel. To pusdh them into the sea if you will. At no time in history has any other nation ever fought for there very existence.
But if you, dna, want to be part of the solution instead part of the problem----look to yourself and your own self imposed brainwashing---before you try to unbrainwash others.
Actually Lemon Law many, many people believe that those who think like you without totally understanding the issues have been brainwashed!
All you can do is moan and groan about all the arab sins while you turn a blind eye to Israeli sins----can't you see that this thinking is getting no one anywhere.---and that there is some person on the other side who is exactly an equally convinced prig and believes the Israeli is all wrong and the arabs are angels---the two of you are going to get nothing done except to manage to get a bunch of more people killed.
Nothing will get done anyway. Too many mis-informed prople think iuts a simple process towards peace.
I will say this much - if the arabs were to leave Israel alone there would be peace!
yet if israel were to disarm tomorrow there would be no peace. Primarily becuase the arabs would interpret that as a sign of weakness!

If you can't be part of a solution---don't be part of the problem.
Good advice to apply towards yourself!

 

[mrCide]

weird that 2 israeli apologists got banned and soon after 2 new ones popped up.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: mrCide
weird that 2 israeli apologists got banned and soon after 2 new ones popped up.

I presume you are talking about me, so how about showing me any message where I've made excuses for Israel?