How is Windows Server 2003?

neptunefix

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Just wondering if anyone has put Windows Server 2003 to the litmus test to see if it can be tweaked.. and if there are any performance improvements for audio production, gaming, or even general use?
 

n0cmonkey

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I've been thinking about installing my free copy. Can't see why I would want a game on there though. It's kind of a server OS...
 

neptunefix

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Windows 2000 was intended for networking and yet, it is a favorite OS by many PC audio/video people because of its performance and lack of bloat.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: neptunefix
Windows 2000 was intended for networking and yet, it is a favorite OS by many PC audio/video people because of its performance and lack of bloat.

I know Windows 2000 pro is, but I haven't heard of too many people using Windows 2000 server.

It's too damn expensive to waste it on games.
 

MiniDoom

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windows 2003 is ok. It should be called Windows XP server, if you like xp you will like 2003. The gui is the same.
 

dawks

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Keep in mind Windows Server 2003 was intended to be a SERVER OS. That being said, it can be tweaked to work as a desktop OS and used for gaming and such, but it takes some effort. For example, 3D support is disabled by default. 3D drivers aren't readily available for 2003, even though the difference in drivers requirements from XP to 2003 aren't that big, they don't always work. The same holds for sound drivers. Windows Server 2003 ships with considerably less sound drivers, and it may be more difficult to track down compatible drivers from your manufacturer.

Also note that just because its a newer release does not mean its better for running as a workstation OS. There have been updates and adjustments to the kernel and such, but these were targeted more towards server enhancements, and have little effect on front end applications.

As for the Windows 2000 Pro and Windows 2000 Server compairison, that case is slightly different. Windows 2000 Server is basically Windows 2000 Pro with Server features/services added on. You can do pretty much anything in 2000 Server that you can in 2000 Pro by default. Windows Server 2003 on the other hand, was designed specifically to be a Server OS.

All in all, you CAN run Server 2003 as a workstation OS, but it requires more effort on your part to get it working the same way XP would by default, and won't necessarily yeild any benefit. Its your choice! As for me, I've used both a fair amound lately, and Windows XP is still my primary OS, even though I'd love to spend more time working with Server 2003.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I've been thinking about installing my free copy. Can't see why I would want a game on there though. It's kind of a server OS...

You can run 16 games of Quake on your Itanium server.
 

EeyoreX

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Windows 2000 was intended for networking and yet, it is a favorite OS by many PC audio/video people because of its performance and lack of bloat.
As n0cmonkey alluded to, there is a significant difference between Windows 2000 Pro and Windows 2000 Server in all it's versions. By all means, spend a grand or so for Windows 2003 Server. It's not my money. Then, you can tell all your friends how "cool" you are for having paid out the @$$ for 2k3 so you can tweak it to run just like more completely [out of the box] patched Windows XP (so yes, it can be done). Have fun!!!

\Dan
 

dawks

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I've been thinking about installing my free copy. Can't see why I would want a game on there though. It's kind of a server OS...

You can run 16 games of Quake on your Itanium server.

Just sort of a note, installing other types of servers such as game servers or music/mp3 servers on Windows 2003 Server Web Edition is a violation of the EULA, hence illegal. :D
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: DaZ
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I've been thinking about installing my free copy. Can't see why I would want a game on there though. It's kind of a server OS...

You can run 16 games of Quake on your Itanium server.

Just sort of a note, installing other types of servers such as game servers or music/mp3 servers on Windows 2003 Server Web Edition is a violation of the EULA, hence illegal. :D

Are you serious? I have to read the EULA to figure out what I can do with my system? Maybe I won't be installing 2k3 after all...


Not sure which version of it I have though. So confusing...
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: DaZ
Just sort of a note, installing other types of servers such as game servers or music/mp3 servers on Windows 2003 Server Web Edition is a violation of the EULA, hence illegal. :D

Are you serious? I have to read the EULA to figure out what I can do with my system? Maybe I won't be installing 2k3 after all...

Not sure which version of it I have though. So confusing...
WTF? So you basically can't do anything on it except web serving and whatever else comes with it by default? That's freaking retarded! :roll:
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: jliechty
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: DaZ
Just sort of a note, installing other types of servers such as game servers or music/mp3 servers on Windows 2003 Server Web Edition is a violation of the EULA, hence illegal. :D

Are you serious? I have to read the EULA to figure out what I can do with my system? Maybe I won't be installing 2k3 after all...

Not sure which version of it I have though. So confusing...
WTF? So you basically can't do anything on it except web serving and whatever else comes with it by default? That's freaking retarded! :roll:

Depending on when my parts come in and how I feel at the time, maybe I'll read some of the EULA I get when I install 2k3. Might be enlightening. Or it'll be a free labotomy. :confused:
 

drag

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I know that MS was seeking a sceme were you buy win2003 based on a sliding scale of what you want it to do.

For a while before they actually released it it looked like they had like 12 different versions of w2k3, but I could of just been confused.

Right now they have it pared down to "Standard Edition", "Enterprise Edition", "Datacenter Edition", "Web Edition".

But I didn't think they would go as far as trying to make it illegal (by MS standards, I mean) to try to get by with the "standard edition" and then try to extend it's capabilities with 3rd party apps.

Somehow that doesn't seem right, or even legal for them to try that.... Would they be that stupid? I doubt it.

I'll see if I can find a copy of their EULA on their website, and I'll post it. ;)
 

Sunner

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I began reading our Open License agreement once, after reading just a little more than one page, I began to get a serious headache and gave up.
"Open License" should be "Open but extremely obfuscated License".
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Sunner
I began reading our Open License agreement once, after reading just a little more than one page, I began to get a serious headache and gave up.
"Open License" should be "Open but extremely obfuscated License".

That's why I love the simplicity of the BSD license. Less legaleze for a better life. ;)
 

Jayczar

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Originally posted by: drag

Right now they have it pared down to "Standard Edition", "Enterprise Edition", "Datacenter Edition", "Web Edition".

and "Small Business Edition".
 

n0cmonkey

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If you didn't buy it, how the hell do you figure out which one you have? :p

(legal and free, in case you care)
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
If you didn't buy it, how the hell do you figure out which one you have? :p

(legal and free, in case you care)
When you install it, the boot screen looks the same, but once you get to the login screen, it will say which variety it is. At least mine does, or did anyway. I put it on my server for fun, but for what I needed it didn't do anything that Win2k wouldn't do, and Linux wouldn't do better yet, so I'm preparing to install Linux instead. ;)
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: jliechty
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
If you didn't buy it, how the hell do you figure out which one you have? :p

(legal and free, in case you care)
When you install it, the boot screen looks the same, but once you get to the login screen, it will say which variety it is. At least mine does, or did anyway. I put it on my server for fun, but for what I needed it didn't do anything that Win2k wouldn't do, and Linux wouldn't do better yet, so I'm preparing to install Linux instead. ;)

I guess I'll find out when I install it. 2k3 is the first version of Windows that has me interested. BSD/Linux could probably do everything I plan on doing with it, and quite well. But I'm interested, and I hate having stuff sitting around doing nothing (free 2k3 and free unix services :D).