How is the image quality on Geforce 4's? EDIT: Got PNY TI4400. EDIT: System is dead in water. Please help!

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I'm looking for a new video card, and am trying to decide between the Radeon 8500 and the Geforce4 TI4400. Is the geforce4 image quality good? If it is as good as the radeon 8500's or better then that will be my most likely option. Anyone have opinions on their Geforce4 image quality? Thanks


EDIT: I have decided on a geforce4 ti4400. Which one should I get? PNY is best price and comes with free 3d glasses. Visiontek has a pretty good price. Leadtek has a nice heatsink for overclocking and comes with 2 retail games. Gainward will probably overclock well too. Which one?
 
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Does it even compare to the Radeon 8500? Because image quality is my very top priority.
 
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Well, I have both a retail Radeon 8500, and a Visiontek GF4 4600, and I notice a slight difference in 2d, and pretty much about no difference in 3d. So IMO, I think both cards are close to equal image quality wise, but I dont think the tiny edge the Radeon 8500 holds over the GF4 is worth the speed drop, or the driver headaches. When I say "driver headaches", I'm referring to the issues I've experienced, while I've had no problems running games, there is some visual defects, the most common one I've experienced is the high polygon bug. Check out an ATI specific website to see what that is in detail.


Edit-I was half asleep when I wrote this, should read Visiontek instead of Leadtek
 
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Ok, now that I know that there is not a big image quality difference, would it be worth the extra $100 to get a ti4400?
 
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like skooch i own both boards and there is a slight edge given to the r8500 in 2d but in DVD playback the R8500 owns.
 
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Hmmmm, I will be watching a few movies, but the main thing I do is play 3d games. I want to run in 1600x1200, highest anisotropic filtering, and decent antialiasing.
 
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The Geforce 4 Ti4400 should be fine for you for DVD, ultra for 3D Gaming, decent 2D, and ok TV-OUT. I know this since I've spent a while looking at the Ti4400 and after a month I've made the decision and bought one.
 
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The Windows(or 2D if you must) image quality of my PNY GF4 Ti 4400 is noticeably worse than my Gainward GF2 Pro.
 
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jaeger66

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Keep in mind that the PNY is made by MSI, and I'd bet some other brands are too. If "8871" or "8872" appears on the card, it's MSI.
 
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Sigh. Where to begin?

" Doesn't look like much of an improvement (if at all) over the GF3... for me anyway."
Why would it? I don't recall any IQ enhancements, just 25% better LMA and another shader.

" Does it even compare to the Radeon 8500?"
Yes. I was using a 8500 retail until yesterday, when I bought the PNY Ti4400. The 2d of the 8500 MIGHT be a bit better, the 3d isn't. You can adjust settings on both cards to make them comparable.

I agree with skooch.

"ut in DVD playback the R8500 owns."
Why would you watch movies on your little computer screen?! Especially DVDs, that don't use half of it?

" The Windows(or 2D if you must) image quality of my PNY GF4 Ti 4400 is noticeably worse than my Gainward GF2 Pro."
I don't know what is up with this guy. I never had a GF2 as cheap as a Gainward (Hercules 64MB GF2 and Hercules GF2 Pro) but I can tell you the PNY Ti4400 has waaaaayyyyyy better IQ than any of the many GF2s I've had the displeasure to look at.
Maybe he has a cheap monitor, didn't install right, etc..
The 3d glasses they give you are way cool too, the only true "3d" I've ever seen.

" I'd get a Leadtek or Gainward for image quality. "
Sure thing chief. LOL



 
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<< Hmmmm, I will be watching a few movies, but the main thing I do is play 3d games. I want to run in 1600x1200, highest anisotropic filtering, and decent antialiasing. >>




I you wanna run that res. then go with a G4. I run all my games at 1600 also with a G4 and its just amazing. The speed of the G4 cards is enough in my book to warrant me having it.


Which one to get LEADTEK cough cough LEADTEK. :D
 
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I have a Visiontek Ti 4600 and the 2d looks the same to me as the R8500. But the FPS...WOW! I would highly recommend the GF4 if you wan't high res gaming.
 
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<< Sigh. Where to begin?

" Doesn't look like much of an improvement (if at all) over the GF3... for me anyway."
Why would it? I don't recall any IQ enhancements, just 25% better LMA and another shader.

" The Windows(or 2D if you must) image quality of my PNY GF4 Ti 4400 is noticeably worse than my Gainward GF2 Pro."
I don't know what is up with this guy. I never had a GF2 as cheap as a Gainward (Hercules 64MB GF2 and Hercules GF2 Pro) but I can tell you the PNY Ti4400 has waaaaayyyyyy better IQ than any of the many GF2s I've had the displeasure to look at.
Maybe he has a cheap monitor, didn't install right, etc..
The 3d glasses they give you are way cool too, the only true "3d" I've ever seen.

" I'd get a Leadtek or Gainward for image quality. "
Sure thing chief. LOL >>



Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Leadtek and Gainward are constantly praised for their image quality. MSI, who makes the PNY, is usually not. In your first sentence you question why anyone would assume that a GF4 would look better than a GF3, but in your next sentence you claim the GF4 IQ to be superior to the GF2. Make up your mind. FYI, the difference is in the low pass filers. Leadtek and Gainward use high quality ones, many others do not. In the future, do your homework before spouting off.
 
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I had a Visiontek GF3 original up until a couple weeks ago, the PNY GF4 image quality looks the same to me.
I think most people will tell you to buy what they bought, I'll tell you they all look pretty much the same. I've seen/owned a variety of GF1/2/3/4, and can honestly say the IQ of each generation is pretty comparable across manufacturers.
In any case, I wasn't sad going from a VisionTek GF3 to a Radeon 8500 to this PNY Ti 400, and IQ is pretty important to me as well. I think nVidia learned their lesson with the GF2s.
 
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Well I'm still stuck. PNY is a good price plus 3D glasses. Leadtek is a little more expensive, but it comes with 2 full games. ( I dont know which ones). MSI comes with 3 full games. If leadtek's image quality is actually better, then I will get that.
 
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nRollo

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"Do you have any idea what you're talking about?"
Yeah, I have a pretty good idea. I've been computer gaming since 1987, make my living in IT.

"Leadtek and Gainward are constantly praised for their image quality"
Constantly, huh? You won't mind posting links to 4-5 reputable web sites that do so then? Or is it just their owners, on bbs, who like them?

"MSI, who makes the PNY, is usually not."
Likewise, I'm sure you can post some links to reviews that say MSI has bad IQ. Thanks!

" you question why anyone would assume that a GF4 would look better than a GF3, "
As I said, I do that because the GF4 is a beefed up GF3 core. Like I said, enhanced Lightning Memory Architecture, and another vertex shader are the only differences I know of. Why would either of these enhance IQ?
(I suppose it could be argued the new AA engine improves IQ, but that's only in games)

"you claim the GF4 IQ to be superior to the GF2."
Yes. It is. The GF3s IQ is vastly superior to the GF2 also. IMHO- although if you like blur GF2 could be said to be better.

" FYI, the difference is in the low pass filers."
LOL- I guess we've all known that since people starting removing the "filers" from GF2s so they could stand to read text. Wonder why no one removes the "filers" from GF3s and GF4s?

"In the future, do your homework before spouting off. "
LOL. Prove me wrong with some links to reviews about the bad IQ of MSI and the great IQ of Leadtek and Gainward. I'll admit I'm wrong if you do.

Seriously, The PNY GF4 looks good to me at 11X8X32 on my 19" Sony, no worse than the R8500. I don't know what's up with yours, I do know that with everything at stock speeds mine looks fine. Are you overclocking your card? Maybe the PNYs aren't good overclockers, I wouldn't know about that.

P.S. You GOTTA love those 3d glasses, that is the coolest thing I've seen on my screen in a LONG time. Reminded me of when I got my Voodoo1 when they came out. Played some Undying and it was like a totally different game.
 
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Metalloid

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Alright, hopefullly we are done fighting now. Does anyone know which games come with the Leadtek? Also, would the Abit card be worth getting?
 
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<< Well I'm still stuck. PNY is a good price plus 3D glasses. Leadtek is a little more expensive, but it comes with 2 full games. ( I dont know which ones). MSI comes with 3 full games. If leadtek's image quality is actually better, then I will get that. >>




When I got my Leadtek it wasnt more then the PNY at the time they were the same price,but my Leadtek came out cheaper in the long run cause I got my PNY at compusa and got the Leadtek online. The fact that I didnt pay sales tax made it come out cheaper. As for the games with Leadtek they suck they are Dronez and Gunlock, so do think about the games in your decision to get the card.
 
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LOL. Prove me wrong with some links to reviews about the bad IQ of MSI and the great IQ of Leadtek and Gainward. I'll admit I'm wrong if you do.
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No, I'm not done fighting with this idiot. He's apparently not willing to accept about a year's worth of user experience, which makes me wonder why he's here giving his since by his own admission such satements are meaningless. But just for the hell of it:

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1507&p=14
http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/winfastti500/page2.asp
http://www.digit-life.com/articles/gf3gainwardcardexpert/index.html
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,73853,pg,3,00.asp


 
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"Image quality was evaluated by reading white text on a black background at both 1600x1200x32 at an 85Hz refresh rate as well as at 1800x1400x32 at a 70Hz refresh rate"
Wow. You proved the MSI board doesn't have as good of image quality at 16X12, and 18X14. Of course, a lot of monitors don't go up to 18X14, but what does that matter?

In any case, I'll concede the point that Leadtech and Gainward make good boards.

For those of us who stay at 12X10 and below because we have 19" monitors and don't like to squint, I still say the IQ of the PNY is no worse than any other board I've used.
I did try it at 16X12X32, small fonts, and had no problem with that either.
 
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