How is it possible to get into so much debt...

BarneyFife

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I found this blog a couple weeks ago http://iamfacingforeclosure.com/ and have been following it daily. Its reality tv on the internet. This 24 year old managed to get over $200k in unsecured credit and nearly $2 mil in mortgages without any assets or a job. How is this possible? Their are people with jobs and get rejected for much smaller mortgages.
 

BarneyFife

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A few newspapers wrote articles about him and people that post on his blog have confirmed that he does have mortgages for the properties. I don't think its fake.
 

JS80

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wow that is amazing. he will probably make that money back being on TV, etc.
 
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Originally posted by: mugs
I hope nobody donates any money to that tard.

I can see the webpage now. "Due to circumstances beyond my control, I have been the victim of a financial downturn. Please donate much $$$, any help is appreciated!"
 

Vette73

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This is some young kid that got greedy. He sold his condo after he quit his job and made 30k. He then went to all those how to buy a house with nothing down type deals. Mind you if its so good/easy then why are THEY not doing it instead of telling you how.

After that he got loans, bought houses, could not pay, does not know how to fix them or even how to handle contractors, etc...



And I agree with mugs "I hope nobody donates any money to that tard."!!!!


Heres the story...

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/h...ng/2006-10-22-young-flipper-usat_x.htm
 

mugs

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
This is some young kid that got greedy. He sold his condo after he quit his job and made 30k. He then went to all those how to buy a house with nothing down type deals. Mind you if its so good/easy then why are THRY not doing it instead of telling you how.

After that he got loans, bought houses, could not pay, does not know how to fix them or even how to handle contractors, etc...



And I agree with mugs "I hope nobody donates any money to that tard."!!!!


Heres the story...

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/h...ng/2006-10-22-young-flipper-usat_x.htm

So based on this article, it seems the answer to the OP's question is that he lied on loan applications, which it seems is a federal crime (and rightly so). This guy is going to cost a bunch of banks a bunch of money. Send him to debtor's prison!
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
This is some young kid that got greedy. He sold his condo after he quit his job and made 30k. He then went to all those how to buy a house with nothing down type deals. Mind you if its so good/easy then why are THRY not doing it instead of telling you how.

After that he got loans, bought houses, could not pay, does not know how to fix them or even how to handle contractors, etc...



And I agree with mugs "I hope nobody donates any money to that tard."!!!!


Heres the story...

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/h...ng/2006-10-22-young-flipper-usat_x.htm

So based on this article, it seems the answer to the OP's question is that he lied on loan applications, which it seems is a federal crime (and rightly so). This guy is going to cost a bunch of banks a bunch of money. Send him to debtor's prison!


Yep!!!

And the REAL dumb thing is, he admittied he lied and when they come for him they will convict on his own words. Let alone he admits it, but he did a full press story on how he lied/broke the law.

 

BarneyFife

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Even if you lie on your application, can't the banks run background checks and make you document your income?
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Even if you lie on your application, can't the banks run background checks and make you document your income?

Read the article, it's pretty interesting.

He used stated income loans, where you tell them how much you make and they take your word for it - but charge you a higher interest rate.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Even if you lie on your application, can't the banks run background checks and make you document your income?

Read the link I posted above. You will see that so many houses are being bought/flipped that banks don;t check on almost 75% of them now. That and the banks got greedy as well.



"In California, 75% of purchase loans this year have little or no documentation of income, up from 34% in 2000, First American LoanPerformancesays."
 

JS80

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wow imagine if his RE deals went the other way (i.e. up). he'd be a "success story."
 

tfinch2

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When he finally saw it, he said, "The layout was weird. There was a garage conversion, which I knew about, but because of my inexperience I didn't know the garage conversion kills it because very few people want an extra room. Most people want the garage."

LOL @ this idiot. I thought this was common knowledge?

"There are some wholesaling opportunities where you find a contract and sell it to another investor. You can make 5, 10 or 15 grand on that stuff. That's enough to almost carry it for a month."

OHSSS NOESSSSS HIS SECRET IS OUT!

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

yowolabi

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
This is some young kid that got greedy. He sold his condo after he quit his job and made 30k. He then went to all those how to buy a house with nothing down type deals. Mind you if its so good/easy then why are THEY not doing it instead of telling you how.

After that he got loans, bought houses, could not pay, does not know how to fix them or even how to handle contractors, etc...



And I agree with mugs "I hope nobody donates any money to that tard."!!!!


Heres the story...

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/h...ng/2006-10-22-young-flipper-usat_x.htm

Wow. And after all that he ends with:

"There might be some other possibilities in the works right now for some additional real estate deals that would be completely aboveboard and allow me to make some money."

This dude is insanely optimistic, which is usually good. Probably not so good if it's mostly false hope. It seems to me that his debt is increasing faster than any money he can make.
 

dullard

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There are so many multiple problems there. He admits his. I wish that these two groups would both realize their problems in these transactions:

(A) banks and
(B) the people telling him the homes were worth $100k more than the selling price.

It takes more than one person to make these specific bad deals close. This is the whole reason I started my housing thread. To point out that housing prices don't always go up.
Originally posted by: yowolabi
This dude is insanely optimistic, which is usually good. Probably not so good if it's mostly false hope. It seems to me that his debt is increasing faster than any money he can make.
Optimism = not anticipating bad things -> not preparing for the worst -> when bad things happen, they are horribly bad.

Pessimism = anticapating bad things -> can mean preparing the for the worst -> when bad things happen, they aren't bad at all and if good things happen you are very happy.

Pessimism for the win. Pessimism DOESN'T have to mean negativity. From the dictionary: "the tendency to see, anticipate, or emphasize only bad or undesirable outcomes, results, conditions, problems, etc". The tendency to anticipate bad outcomes. Hmm, if you can anticipate them, you can prepare for them. No where does it say you must have a negative attitude. People just often falsely associate pessimism with negativity.

The reverse is true for optimism: "tendency to look on the more favorable side of events or conditions and to expect the most favorable outcome". If you only expect the favorable outcomes, you really aren't putting enough effort into preventing the unfavorable ones.

I've been called the world's most pessimistic person and the world's most optimistic person. Why? I'm a pessimist who is always happy. I'm always prepared for the bad stuff, so bad things never do much harm. The rest of the time things turn out so well that I'm just almost always very happy. People confuse happiness with optimism and unhappiness with pessimism.
 

CrackRabbit

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Suddenly I don't feel so bad about the debt I have been trying to beat down. :)
I was stupid with my money, but no where near that stupid.
 

JEDI

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I found this blog a couple weeks ago http://iamfacingforeclosure.com/ and have been following it daily. Its reality tv on the internet. This 24 year old managed to get over $200k in unsecured credit and nearly $2 mil in mortgages without any assets or a job. How is this possible? Their are people with jobs and get rejected for much smaller mortgages.

he lied on the apps. but he'll walk away with bankrupcy w/o a problem.

the bansk have something called due dilligence. apparently, they didnt do that, so he's off scott free
 

Vic

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I knew before I even got to Marlin1975's post that this guy must have committed fraud in order to get those mortgages.
The big issue is not necessarily that he incorrectly stated his income, but that he lied about his intention to occupy the homes. That's a federal crime, and he could (and should IMO) face serious legal consequences. Loan programs for investment properties are significantly different than those for owner-occupied properties, and he almost certainly would not have been able to buy the homes had he not committed that fraud.

Dullard, banks DO NOT tell people that homes are worth more than they actually are, or encourage people to buy homes for more than they are worth. I've explained this to you in the past, and I do not wish to go over it again. Brokers, realtors, and appraisers do not work for the lenders, and lenders actively work to protect themselves from this type of fraud. Unfortunately, they can't stop them all, nor can they predict market trends, nor should they be expected to. There comes a point when the buyer has to be responsible for something.