How is "Flash Mob" illegal?

[alfa147x]

How is "Flash Mob" illegal?

I dont see how would it affect any one...

Not that i was going to participate in one but did get a facebook invite to one...
now it says:

DO NOT SHOW UP.

I am serious, NO ONE show up at Discover Mills on the 22nd.
apparently this is illegal and I have been notified by the Police Department to shut this event down.
I am only leaving the event site up so that more people can get the message to
STAY AWAY FROM DISCOVER MILLS ON THE 22nd.

 

[FoBoT]

many cities require a permit to have a large demonstration or assembly

like a parade permit

 

[Kelemvor]

Could be trespassing on private property if you aren't there to patronize the establishment.

I was just reminded of that time when all the people dressed in blue polo shirts and went to Best BUy and hung around to confuse people. THat was hilarious.

 

[BigToque]

I'm guessing because it is intended to be some kind of social disturbance. There are generally laws against that type of action.

 

[LtPage1]

That's crap. Everyone should show up to protest whatever ridiculous law prohibits a group of people from meeting peaceably.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
many cities require a permit to have a large demonstration or assembly

like a parade permit

:thumbsup:

 

[pyonir]

flash mobs are so....5 years ago.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: LtPage1
... law prohibits a group of people from meeting peaceably.

it doesn't prohibit it, it requires it to be organized so that it doesn't disrupt "normal" stuff like traffic
and to allow the local authority to provide crowd control etc if needed

requiring a permit doesn't mean it isn't allowed, it just has to be planned out and "announced" so to speak

if you want to do it in a rural location, they don't require stuff like that, you can all just show up in a big field in kansas anytime you feel like it

 

[ViviTheMage]

hahaha, a permit required to 'demonstrate' hilarous!

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: FoBoT
many cities require a permit to have a large demonstration or assembly

like a parade permit

:thumbsup:

:thumbsdown:

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: LtPage1
... law prohibits a group of people from meeting peaceably.

it doesn't prohibit it, it requires it to be organized so that it doesn't disrupt "normal" stuff like traffic
and to allow the local authority to provide crowd control etc if needed

requiring a permit doesn't mean it isn't allowed, it just has to be planned out and "announced" so to speak

if you want to do it in a rural location, they don't require stuff like that, you can all just show up in a big field in kansas anytime you feel like it

I see no mention of a need to be organized in this:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The only thing I see that is required is that the people behave themselves when assembled. Then again we have made so many exceptions to it that the original meaning and intent have become a joke anyway.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: LtPage1
... law prohibits a group of people from meeting peaceably.

it doesn't prohibit it, it requires it to be organized so that it doesn't disrupt "normal" stuff like traffic
and to allow the local authority to provide crowd control etc if needed

requiring a permit doesn't mean it isn't allowed, it just has to be planned out and "announced" so to speak

if you want to do it in a rural location, they don't require stuff like that, you can all just show up in a big field in kansas anytime you feel like it

I see no mention of a need to be organized in this:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The only thing I see that is required is that the people behave themselves when assembled. Then again we have made so many exceptions to it that the original meaning and intent have become a joke anyway.

trouble is people do not behave themselves. they think its ok to inturupt the flow of traffic, to block entrances to business etc.

 

[Jeeebus]

wtf is a flash mob?

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
wtf is a flash mob?

yea i have no idea either

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
wtf is a flash mob?

yea i have no idea either

according to wiki, a flash mob is a large group of people who assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual action for a brief period of time, then quickly disperse.

 

[Jeff7]

Maybe that Facebook thing is just to avoid liability issues.

"See, we told "no one" to show up at Discover Mills on the 22nd."

Oh, did I mention? NOT Discover Mills on the 22nd. Most definitely NOT Discover Mills on the 22nd. You shouldn't even dream of going to Discover Mills on the 22nd to participate in a flash mob. Whatever you do, don't go there, there being Discover Mills, on the 22nd. Get it?

 

[BurnItDwn]

Edit: my post is redundant. it's already covered above. Deleted.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
The first amendment seems pretty clear to me: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

A law requiring a permit of some sort in order to partake in one of your freedoms guaranteed by the constitution sounds somewhat unconstitutional, however, many states have laws requiring a special permit in order to partake in the second amendment ... so unfortunatly I don't see that as being very surprising...

I don't understand how cities can get away with blatant first amendment violations like that ....

When I read the first amendment it says

1. Establishment of religion
2. Freedom of Speech or press
3. Right to assemble AND to petition the government for redress of grievance.

Explain to me how a Flash Mob is a religion, freedom of speech/press or an assembly to place a grievance against the government.

Not to mention the fact that a Mall is actually PRIVATE PROPERTY. A property owner has the right to not allow certain groups or people and can have you arrested if you trespass. That?s why you see most protest across the street from places or on a public sidewalk. They cannot legally be on your property.

Someone from the Mall may have heard about this and called the cops. You don?t actually know the reason the cops have told them to not show up.

 

[manowar821]

Disturbing the peace or some bull-shit. Also, you're also required by a lot of places to get a permit for demonstrations of any sort.

It's bull-shit.

BTW: The police are probably playing a poker face with you. They'd have a hell of a time arresting anyone for a flash-mob event. Just scout the place out. I have never seen the police setup a trap operation for possible flash-mobs. Police are constantly playing a game of wits with people, don't fall for it.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
wtf is a flash mob?

One of the best ones I'd heard of is where a lot of people dressed in blue collared shirts and went into a Best Buy...

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
The first amendment seems pretty clear to me: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

A law requiring a permit of some sort in order to partake in one of your freedoms guaranteed by the constitution sounds somewhat unconstitutional, however, many states have laws requiring a special permit in order to partake in the second amendment ... so unfortunatly I don't see that as being very surprising...

I don't understand how cities can get away with blatant first amendment violations like that ....

When I read the first amendment it says

1. Establishment of religion
2. Freedom of Speech or press
3. Right to assemble AND to petition the government for redress of grievance.

Explain to me how a Flash Mob is a religion, freedom of speech/press or an assembly to place a grievance against the government.

Not to mention the fact that a Mall is actually PRIVATE PROPERTY. A property owner has the right to not allow certain groups or people and can have you arrested if you trespass. That?s why you see most protest across the street from places or on a public sidewalk. They cannot legally be on your property.

Someone from the Mall may have heard about this and called the cops. You don?t actually know the reason the cops have told them to not show up.

By leaving out the comma you change the original meaning. People have the right to peaceably assemble and the right to petition the government for redress.

Assembly

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
The first amendment seems pretty clear to me: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

A law requiring a permit of some sort in order to partake in one of your freedoms guaranteed by the constitution sounds somewhat unconstitutional, however, many states have laws requiring a special permit in order to partake in the second amendment ... so unfortunatly I don't see that as being very surprising...

I don't understand how cities can get away with blatant first amendment violations like that ....

When I read the first amendment it says

1. Establishment of religion
2. Freedom of Speech or press
3. Right to assemble AND to petition the government for redress of grievance.

Explain to me how a Flash Mob is a religion, freedom of speech/press or an assembly to place a grievance against the government.

Not to mention the fact that a Mall is actually PRIVATE PROPERTY. A property owner has the right to not allow certain groups or people and can have you arrested if you trespass. That?s why you see most protest across the street from places or on a public sidewalk. They cannot legally be on your property.

Someone from the Mall may have heard about this and called the cops. You don?t actually know the reason the cops have told them to not show up.

By leaving out the comma you change the original meaning. People have the right to peaceably assemble and the right to petition the government for redress.

Assembly

you are right. but it still does not change the fact you have NO RIGHT to assembe on private property without the owners permission.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Disturbing the peace or some bull-shit. Also, you're also required by a lot of places to get a permit for demonstrations of any sort.

It's bull-shit.

BTW: The police are probably playing a poker face with you. They'd have a hell of a time arresting anyone for a flash-mob event. Just scout the place out. I have never seen the police setup a trap operation for possible flash-mobs. Police are constantly playing a game of wits with people, don't fall for it.

How could they even arrest anybody unless they could somehow prove you were there as a participant of the flash mob? Especially if its in a public place or establishment and you aren't doing anything in particular or dressed in any particular way. . .but you are just there. I've heard about these events where the instruction was simply to show up, mill around a bit, then leave. Who's to say if you are there as a mob participant or just happen to be there coincidentally at the same time as the planned mob?

 

[Skeeedunt]

I thought flash mobs were supposed to be organized at the last minute, not weeks in advance on Facebook. No wonder they got owned.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
The first amendment seems pretty clear to me: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

A law requiring a permit of some sort in order to partake in one of your freedoms guaranteed by the constitution sounds somewhat unconstitutional, however, many states have laws requiring a special permit in order to partake in the second amendment ... so unfortunatly I don't see that as being very surprising...

I don't understand how cities can get away with blatant first amendment violations like that ....

When I read the first amendment it says

1. Establishment of religion
2. Freedom of Speech or press
3. Right to assemble AND to petition the government for redress of grievance.

Explain to me how a Flash Mob is a religion, freedom of speech/press or an assembly to place a grievance against the government.

Not to mention the fact that a Mall is actually PRIVATE PROPERTY. A property owner has the right to not allow certain groups or people and can have you arrested if you trespass. That?s why you see most protest across the street from places or on a public sidewalk. They cannot legally be on your property.

Someone from the Mall may have heard about this and called the cops. You don?t actually know the reason the cops have told them to not show up.

By leaving out the comma you change the original meaning. People have the right to peaceably assemble and the right to petition the government for redress.

Assembly

Sciencewhiz commented on that below. Either way It's still private property and the do not have the right to assemble if they are told not to.