harobikes333
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no one compares to vze's covereage in the northeast still, even tho they are way behind on technology i feel. everytime i call my friend on tmobile it takes at least 5-10sec to connect to his network. basicaly the same with cingular friends 3-10sec to connect.
Quoted for truth. Cingular bites it in Central VA. Sprint's coverage in these parts is the best.
I'm a 5 year cingular customer coming from New Orleans. Their coverage there was top notch but I couldn't find a cell tower here with GPS, a map and the cell site engineer from a couple replys back. Stupid cingular won't let me out of my contract either.
The connection time between carriers isn?t due to them its due to latency between switches and the PSTN. So don?t say it's the carrier?s issue they have to still go through the public switching telephone network that is your delay that and the Verizon switches response time to send the page out.
Originally posted by: sinucus
Quoted for truth. Cingular bites it in Central VA. Sprint's coverage in these parts is the best.
I'm a 5 year cingular customer coming from New Orleans. Their coverage there was top notch but I couldn't find a cell tower here with GPS, a map and the cell site engineer from a couple replys back. Stupid cingular won't let me out of my contract either.
As we have said Cingular doesn?t own any cell sites or air rights in VA it?s up to the local carrier to provide you the service and it looks like they do a poor job of it (t-mobile as I look at the coverage map who you will roam off of). A lot of you claim Verizon has better coverage are mistaken. Cingular has more cell sites in more places than any one bar none, overall Cingular has more coverage some areas maybe not but as a whole they are the top. We aren?t the lowest dropped call carrier for nothing. If you have been with Cingular for 5 yrs why do you still have a contract? If your in VA you are most likely not profitable to Cingular call them again and see what they can do for you....can you even get a local number? or you still based out of N.O.?
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Originally posted by: sinucus
Quoted for truth. Cingular bites it in Central VA. Sprint's coverage in these parts is the best.
I'm a 5 year cingular customer coming from New Orleans. Their coverage there was top notch but I couldn't find a cell tower here with GPS, a map and the cell site engineer from a couple replys back. Stupid cingular won't let me out of my contract either.
As we have said Cingular doesn?t own any cell sites or air rights in VA it?s up to the local carrier to provide you the service and it looks like they do a poor job of it (t-mobile as I look at the coverage map who you will roam off of). A lot of you claim Verizon has better coverage are mistaken. Cingular has more cell sites in more places than any one bar none, overall Cingular has more coverage some areas maybe not but as a whole they are the top. We aren?t the lowest dropped call carrier for nothing. [/quote]
What kind of BS excuse is that? It still does not change the fact that the GSM network as a whole SUCKS in Virginia. I don't care who owns the rights, it SUCKS. Do I need to make it any clearer for you?
And no, we're not mistaken that Verizon has better coverage - they do. Cingular may (or may not, I don't know) have more cell towers, but guess what - they need to in order to have somewhat decent coverage. Verizon doesn't need as many towers placed so closely together to cover a certain area.
I still don't believe this lowest dropped call crap either. My mom, sister, and her bf have Cingular. They drop calls like none other. I've yet to drop a call in 2 years with Verizon.. my dad has had verizon for ~8 years and in that entire time he can't recall it happening much at all. Where did these "independent researchers" do their testing anyway? Who are they? Did they test it right under a GSM tower, while testing other networks on an analog connection? That seems to be the only way possible for Cingular to have less dropped calls.
FFS, GSM isn't all that great people. My family has been to Europe plenty of times. My gf is in Italy right now. They all rent GSM phones over there, and even there where the GSM network has been built up so much more, they still drop lots of calls, especially indoors no matter how close to a tower or how many "bars" they have.
Originally posted by: supafly
Originally posted by: sinucus
Quoted for truth. Cingular bites it in Central VA. Sprint's coverage in these parts is the best.
I'm a 5 year cingular customer coming from New Orleans. Their coverage there was top notch but I couldn't find a cell tower here with GPS, a map and the cell site engineer from a couple replys back. Stupid cingular won't let me out of my contract either.
As we have said Cingular doesn?t own any cell sites or air rights in VA it?s up to the local carrier to provide you the service and it looks like they do a poor job of it (t-mobile as I look at the coverage map who you will roam off of). A lot of you claim Verizon has better coverage are mistaken. Cingular has more cell sites in more places than any one bar none, overall Cingular has more coverage some areas maybe not but as a whole they are the top. We aren?t the lowest dropped call carrier for nothing.
What kind of BS excuse is that? It still does not change the fact that the GSM network as a whole SUCKS in Virginia. I don't care who owns the rights, it SUCKS. Do I need to make it any clearer for you?
And no, we're not mistaken that Verizon has better coverage - they do. Cingular may (or may not, I don't know) have more cell towers, but guess what - they need to in order to have somewhat decent coverage. Verizon doesn't need as many towers placed so closely together to cover a certain area.
I still don't believe this lowest dropped call crap either. My mom, sister, and her bf have Cingular. They drop calls like none other. I've yet to drop a call in 2 years with Verizon.. my dad has had verizon for ~8 years and in that entire time he can't recall it happening much at all. Where did these "independent researchers" do their testing anyway? Who are they? Did they test it right under a GSM tower, while testing other networks on an analog connection? That seems to be the only way possible for Cingular to have less dropped calls.
FFS, GSM isn't all that great people. My family has been to Europe plenty of times. My gf is in Italy right now. They all rent GSM phones over there, and even there where the GSM network has been built up so much more, they still drop lots of calls, especially indoors no matter how close to a tower or how many "bars" they have.[/quote]
Its not am excuse it?s the facts.... They don?t own the service to make it better they don?t provide the service its not there problem that they can fix its up to T-mobile... its like saying you get your home phone from joe blows telco and its broken, but verizon actualy provides the wire line joe blow isn?t going to fix it they cant verizon owns the lines they only resale or provide the best they can from some one else. I have worked for Cingular all over the US I lived in south MS and worked in New Orleans the Florida panhandle. Alabama. GA and SC/NC where I am now I have used other providers phones I can see some strong areas from some and strong areas from us but as a whole they are matched in metro areas but in rural we have them beat.
GSM is nothing more than TDMA except you get 8 calls per channel VS the old TDMA of 3. When UMTS (w-cdma) is fully built out there will be no match it beats regular CDMA pretty good. GSM isn?t all that it can have static but unlike CDMA which works or doesn?t GSM at least lets you hold onto that call even when its less than perfect rather than drop you. You guys sure should do some research on how cell sites work its pretty interesting.
We all have our favorites and I can take it you have something against Cingular so be it. There is a company called Telephia that does all the call testing comparisons for all of the cellular companies. They do all the verification with some very neat and expensive equipment and no they don?t just drive around saying can you hear me now? They actually have GPS tracking involved and they can see all of the weak spots etc and where they dropped the call to the meter. They drive complete markets and trace all calls etc and compare them and they do all of the major carriers at the same time.
http://www.telephia.com/
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Originally posted by: AMDMaddness
Originally posted by: supafly
Originally posted by: sinucus
Quoted for truth. Cingular bites it in Central VA. Sprint's coverage in these parts is the best.
I'm a 5 year cingular customer coming from New Orleans. Their coverage there was top notch but I couldn't find a cell tower here with GPS, a map and the cell site engineer from a couple replys back. Stupid cingular won't let me out of my contract either.
As we have said Cingular doesn?t own any cell sites or air rights in VA it?s up to the local carrier to provide you the service and it looks like they do a poor job of it (t-mobile as I look at the coverage map who you will roam off of). A lot of you claim Verizon has better coverage are mistaken. Cingular has more cell sites in more places than any one bar none, overall Cingular has more coverage some areas maybe not but as a whole they are the top. We aren?t the lowest dropped call carrier for nothing.
What kind of BS excuse is that? It still does not change the fact that the GSM network as a whole SUCKS in Virginia. I don't care who owns the rights, it SUCKS. Do I need to make it any clearer for you?
And no, we're not mistaken that Verizon has better coverage - they do. Cingular may (or may not, I don't know) have more cell towers, but guess what - they need to in order to have somewhat decent coverage. Verizon doesn't need as many towers placed so closely together to cover a certain area.
I still don't believe this lowest dropped call crap either. My mom, sister, and her bf have Cingular. They drop calls like none other. I've yet to drop a call in 2 years with Verizon.. my dad has had verizon for ~8 years and in that entire time he can't recall it happening much at all. Where did these "independent researchers" do their testing anyway? Who are they? Did they test it right under a GSM tower, while testing other networks on an analog connection? That seems to be the only way possible for Cingular to have less dropped calls.
FFS, GSM isn't all that great people. My family has been to Europe plenty of times. My gf is in Italy right now. They all rent GSM phones over there, and even there where the GSM network has been built up so much more, they still drop lots of calls, especially indoors no matter how close to a tower or how many "bars" they have.
Its not am excuse it?s the facts.... They don?t own the service to make it better they don?t provide the service its not there problem that they can fix its up to T-mobile... its like saying you get your home phone from joe blows telco and its broken, but verizon actualy provides the wire line joe blow isn?t going to fix it they cant verizon owns the lines they only resale or provide the best they can from some one else. I have worked for Cingular all over the US I lived in south MS and worked in New Orleans the Florida panhandle. Alabama. GA and SC/NC where I am now I have used other providers phones I can see some strong areas from some and strong areas from us but as a whole they are matched in metro areas but in rural we have them beat.
GSM is nothing more than TDMA except you get 8 calls per channel VS the old TDMA of 3. When UMTS (w-cdma) is fully built out there will be no match it beats regular CDMA pretty good. GSM isn?t all that it can have static but unlike CDMA which works or doesn?t GSM at least lets you hold onto that call even when its less than perfect rather than drop you.
We all have our favorites and I can take it you have something against Cingular so be it. There is a company called Telephia that does all the call testing comparisons for all of the cellular companies. They do all the verification with some very neat and expensive equipment and no they don?t just drive around saying can you hear me now? They actually have GPS tracking involved and they can see all of the weak spots etc and where they dropped the call to the meter. They drive complete markets and trace all calls etc and compare them.
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You may not be directly saying it's an excuse, but whethe you realize it or not you are trying to excuse Cingular for the fact that GSM sucks hard in VA. Cingular used to be Suncom here before.. Suncom sucked, and the GSM service still does suck. I don't care if Cingular can or can't do anything about it, it still sucks. There is no getting around that simple fact. T-Mobile is exactly the same here, too.
How long do you think it would take to set up country-wide WCDMA here? Assuming they only work on just that and not what's coming after that, it would take them decades at the rate they've been expanding. But even that assumption can't hold up, because they will want to keep upgrading their networks capabilities, when they need to focus on coverage.
"unlike CDMA which works or doesn?t GSM at least lets you hold onto that call even when its less than perfect rather than drop you."
Thats a lie right there. I've heard it many times, but it simply isn't true. I live near the mountains. There are some "deadspots" where it seems hard to get a signal.. but when I drive through them talking on my (all digital) Verizon phone, I hold it. What happens with my familys Cingular phones? No service.
I have a thing against any company who makes such large, false claims as Cingular. At least T-Mobile doesn't try to hide their faults as bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless
Wow, lovely work they did there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Wireless
Telephia cant say to much or they will get involved in legal action.. its cut throat in wireless. No one will admit they are the worst in open public. It would kill there stock value. And you saying you can make a call in the mtns were with cingular you cant that easy.. they have better coverage in that area plain and simple. And yes what I said is true it either works or it doesnt. I have worked for more than just Cingular I have worked for CDMA carriers as well. When you spend as much time in wireless as I have and you up to snuff on how all of this works then come tell me how you feel.. your compairing apples to oranges in some respects.
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Lifer
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I can be more specific with my example. I didn't say I am *in* the mountains, just near them. Before and after this bridge, both Verizon and Cingular can get a signal. For some reason, the bridge seems to be a deadspot. I do notice that I lose more "bars" there, but never lose a signal or drop the call. On the other hand, like I said, my familys Cingular phones lose the signal completely. They do pick it up 1/4 mile after the bridge, but it goes dead there. If you look at Cingulars coverage maps, that spot is supposed to have coverage. Text I don't know if that link will work but if it does you can see for youurself.
Apples and oranges? CDMA and GSM? ??
And Telephia can say something without being involved in legal action.. at least not as a defendant. What do they have to hide? There's no reason not to release the results/methonds/details to the public if the results aren't cooked. Oh, wait, maybe that's why they'd get in trouble and why they aren't releasing them... sure it sounds like a consipicy theory, but it sure seems to be playing out nicely for Cingular's marketing.
And to respond to your previous comment about how Cingular has everyone beat in rural areas.. also not entirely true. I was in CT for the summer and spent a LOT of time in NYC. Same deal up there. Verizon, impressive. Cingular, better up there than Virginia, but still not impressive.
Apples and oranges? CDMA and GSM? ??
yeah its like AMD and Intel they both in the end do the same thing but both have there strong points over each other. A coverage map isnt perfect and its more of a guide IMHO the marketing people come out with that stuff not the operations folks thats for sure.
Mountain areas are one of the hardest to cover areas RF is like sound its more directional than anything dips and valleys get shot right over etc unless you have something poining right down there.
CDMA has the advantage of being able to talk on more than one site at a time witch helps in areas like that but CMDA sites "breath" they get smaller as more people talk on it which in turn kills the coverage and during a high traffic time you may never be able to make that call. A GSM site doesnt get smaller with more calls. There are a ton of what either can do or cant do the list goes on.
I like CDMA better than GSM it simply uses less freq to get the job done and is more dynamic when it comes to t-1 use etc. Cingular will be CDMA b4 to long (w-cdma) so it will even out on the being able to use more than one cell site aspect and come down to who has more tower in more places than another... I enjoy this back and forth banter.
Pete
yeah its like AMD and Intel they both in the end do the same thing but both have there strong points over each other. A coverage map isnt perfect and its more of a guide IMHO the marketing people come out with that stuff not the operations folks thats for sure.
Mountain areas are one of the hardest to cover areas RF is like sound its more directional than anything dips and valleys get shot right over etc unless you have something poining right down there.
CDMA has the advantage of being able to talk on more than one site at a time witch helps in areas like that but CMDA sites "breath" they get smaller as more people talk on it which in turn kills the coverage and during a high traffic time you may never be able to make that call. A GSM site doesnt get smaller with more calls. There are a ton of what either can do or cant do the list goes on.
I like CDMA better than GSM it simply uses less freq to get the job done and is more dynamic when it comes to t-1 use etc. Cingular will be CDMA b4 to long (w-cdma) so it will even out on the being able to use more than one cell site aspect and come down to who has more tower in more places than another... I enjoy this back and forth banter.
Pete
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Lifer
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So you don't think that my example clearly contradicts your statement that "unlike CDMA which works or doesn?t GSM at least lets you hold onto that call even when its less than perfect rather than drop you"? Both have service around it, but only one loses it. The CDMA phone didn't stop working, while the GSM one stopped when the signal was less than perfect.
WCDMA sounds like a welcome change, but as I said, how many years will it take for them to a) upgrade their current network and b) expand the WCDMA coverage to match or beat Verizon in the US?
I too enjoy this banter, I like how neither of us has resorted to name calling, especially here on ATOT
Edit: yo momma uses prepaid! oooooooooooooooooooooo
Originally posted by: supafly
So you don't think that my example clearly contradicts your statement that "unlike CDMA which works or doesn?t GSM at least lets you hold onto that call even when its less than perfect rather than drop you"? Both have service around it, but only one loses it. The CDMA phone didn't stop working, while the GSM one stopped when the signal was less than perfect.
WCDMA sounds like a welcome change, but as I said, how many years will it take for them to a) upgrade their current network and b) expand the WCDMA coverage to match or beat Verizon in the US?
I too enjoy this banter, I like how neither of us has resorted to name calling, especially here on ATOT
Edit: yo momma uses prepaid! oooooooooooooooooooooo
Me saying it either works or it doesnt refers to calls inservice and coverage areas. During a CDMA call it either works or it doesnt there is no grey area. The coverage aspect is if there is no service then there is no service were as your CDMA has service and can make the call were there is no GSM service to even make a marginal call. They dont all use the same towers, or antenna down tilts, antenna types, etc. Even carriers on the same cell site tower can have very differant coverage due to this.
WCDMA will take a couple of years so far we have mostly on the west coast atlanta some parts of florida and some of the northeast. We are building them as fast as the vendors (seimens and Ericsson can make them) The UMTS coverage will be on the same cell site towers as GSM but with UMTS we get an instant 3db (every 3db is twice the power) better downlink so they will cover even better than GSM.
And my momma does use prepaid!!! :Q nah she uses a CDMA carrier thats not Cingular shocker! and no Cingular doesnt have coverage where she lives thats why she has another carriers service.
Edit- the carolinas will be UMTS by the middle of next year we are already 20% done here.
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Not in So Cal. My friends with Cingular say it's still the suck.
I visited my relatives in eastern PA and they are mad my Verizon phone works everywhere, and their phones don't work in their own house. (kind of in the hills).
Manhatten Cingular customers were royally pissed. That was a huge outrage that circled around the cell phone forums.
GSM is better, but it's going to take a while for Cingular to catch up.
QueBert
Lifer
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Cingular is misleading with their commericals and the "fewest dropped calls" It's not a percent, it's a number thing. And, they don't have as many subscribers. That's like me making hard drives, only selling 100 a year and claiming "fewest RMAS!" Now I know Cingular has a lot of customers, but they don't have as many as Verizon, so they may have fewer dropped calls, but I bet the percentage is higher.
is their network getting better? sure, but doesn't mean the commerical ain't false advertising.
is their network getting better? sure, but doesn't mean the commerical ain't false advertising.
You couldnt be more wrong Cingular has more customers than any of the US carriers they are the largest. The comercial is not false it was verified by telephia as discused earlier in this thread.
I just called up some upper folks and they assure me we are number one with the least amount of dropped calls. Cingular and the top three's lawyers talk daily compairing stats. I will say this Verizon is nipping at our heals on dropped calls they may surpase use they may not.. we have a directive to not do anything that could cause a dropped call like taking down a sector of a site during the day etc. We try hard I will tell you that.
BurnItDwn
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I've had Cingular for about 3 years now. I probably only average about 300 to 400 minutes per month on my Cell, however, I have never had any problems at home.
When I visit family up in Sturgeon Bay though, The reception is total crap. It has gotten a bit better, as to where I get 1 bar now, as opposed to just bluntly saying "no service." Ahh well.
When I visit family up in Sturgeon Bay though, The reception is total crap. It has gotten a bit better, as to where I get 1 bar now, as opposed to just bluntly saying "no service." Ahh well.
I have Verizon and it rocks for coverage. Rural areas especially. One of my friends has Cingular and her coverage is pretty spotty, even in town.
I know Verizon has a detailed coverage map on their website where you can zoom down to street level and see what kind of service you can expect (Digital, Extended Network Digital, etc). It's pretty accurate from what I can tell.
Verizon may not own as many towers, but they buy coverage from other providors to shore up their network. Where my Mom and Dad live, they use the Extended Network on Verizon, which is really Alltel coverage, but they don't get charged roaming.
I know Verizon has a detailed coverage map on their website where you can zoom down to street level and see what kind of service you can expect (Digital, Extended Network Digital, etc). It's pretty accurate from what I can tell.
Verizon may not own as many towers, but they buy coverage from other providors to shore up their network. Where my Mom and Dad live, they use the Extended Network on Verizon, which is really Alltel coverage, but they don't get charged roaming.
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