How is atheism more rational than deism?

Anarchist420

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If there was never a supreme being, then how did the earth get here? I'm a deist, myself.

I'm not trying to troll here. I'd really like to know the rationale behind atheism.
 

theflyingpig

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What a stupid question. Atheism is based on science and facts. Religion is based on superstition and stupidity. It's that simple. Everyone knows this.
 

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If there was never a supreme being, then how did the earth get here? I'm a deist, myself.

I'm not trying to troll here. I'd really like to know the rationale behind atheism.

If there is a supreme being where did it come from?

We lack the ability to understand the beginning of the universe at this point, in the same way people in the past didn't understand the concepts we do now. Lack of knowledge and understanding doesn't require a supreme being to exist.
 

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If there was never a supreme being, then how did the earth get here? I'm a deist, myself.

I'm not trying to troll here. I'd really like to know the rationale behind atheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang_theory

As for where all that stuff came from, I'm partial to the string theory that our universe was floating around in some Nth higher dimensional space and collided with another universe.
 

Matthiasa

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Thats thing thing it's not.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang_theory

As for where all that stuff came from, I'm partial to the string theory that our universe was floating around in some Nth higher dimensional space and collided with another universe.

Okay, and then where did that Nth dimensional space come from?

The reason to be an atheist is that there are no sound reasons to be a theist.

Is there proof for either?
Oh thats right there isn't, good game though. :p
 

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If theists are all for believing in magic men who live in the clouds, why stop at that? Why don't they believe in goblins, fairies and Santa Clause as well? Why is God rational but all other imaginary creatures irrational?
 

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The thing I never understood about deism is that nothing can exist without some powerful being creating it EXCEPT for that being. Never made any sense to me.
 

DaveSimmons

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Then who created the galaxy?

You're still ducking the question of who created your deity.

"He has always existed"? Then why can't whatever the precursor to this universe is also have always existed without a creator?

If one can exist without a cause or creator, then so can the other.
 

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What's really cool is that the majority of atheists and deists don't really give a shit what the other thinks. On the internet though, everyone has all the answers. Go figure.
 

Matthiasa

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And who did god come from?

Since when was i arguing for a god?
I was just state that if you go back far enough or some extreme you hit a wall which can't be overcome.
If nothing is infinite what created it the n dimensions to begin with, and that what created/caused the thing that created/caused the thing that created/caused... the thing that created/caused that.
 

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I'm an atheist, but as a physicist I'm not totally closed to the idea of some "higher order", but more in a physics sense than a spiritual or religious sense.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. "

There may very well be something beyond our measureable universe that would classify as "gods" but really is nothing more than a higher level of the universe and nothing like the fantasies portrayed by religions. Only problem is the tools we use to detect and observe such things are built of the same physics of our own universe, thus we will never be able to confirm/deny such things without external intervention into our isolated sandbox.

As for religions, I think that either they were made up completely as a social control scheme, or perhaps people did witness unknown phenomenon and interpreted it as best they could in their primitive state and rolled with it from there.

Human beings will build a religion around anything.

For further perspective that will turn your view of the world upside down, regardless whether you are atheist or religious, check out the PS1 game Xenogears. It will blow your mind.

I love alternative creation stories. Whether it's aliens created us like "Mission to Mars", or whether a 10,000 year old interplanetary bio-progenitor and terraforming weapon system created by humans from a distant star system crashed and spawned artifical humans to preserve it's genetic programming and preprogrammed humanity to one day "return to god" by reviving the system...

Christians and other religious people are easily offended by such material, however they fail to realize that their bible and religion is merely a narrow human interpretation thoughout the years, and that either of the above scenarios easily qualify as the legitimate "god" they have worshipped for 2000 years, just because it doesn't fit their premisconception and humanized idealization that "god" has to be a silver haired man sitting in the clouds.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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I'm an atheist, but I'm not totally closed to the idea of some "higher order", but more in a physics sense than a spiritual or religious sense.

There may very well be something beyond our measureable universe that would classify as "gods" but really is nothing more than a higher level of the universe and nothing like the fantasies portrayed by religions.

As for religions, I think that either they were made up completely as a social control scheme, or perhaps people did witness unknown phenomenon and interpreted it as best they could in their primitive state and rolled with it from there.

Human beings will build a religion around anything.

For further perspective that will turn your view of the world upside down, regardless whether you are atheist or religious, check out the PS1 game Xenogears. It will blow your mind.

I'm convinced that humans are the most conceited species possible. We have some three pounds of brain that thinks it knows or can know everything. A finite creature who says it knows things that it cannot, and will defend it's position to extraordinary lengths.

I simply don't know how things work. There may be a God who is in charge of everything. I can't objectively know. That I don't see one doesn't change a thing. So I don't beat people over the head, although where there is evidence (like the age of the Universe, or evolution) I'll say so.

This comes down to a competition of egos, not intellect.
 

Lemon law

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Maybe we should ask who created religion?

Various contradictory religious myths exist that GOD himself has come down to earth and instructed mortal men on the way God thought it was proper to be worshiped, but there is zero concrete evidence that God ever bothered to waste time or effort on such a worthless ego trip.

And therefore maybe some alternate explanation validity to Spinoza idea of a clock maker God, who set things into motion long ago and has since gone somewhere else, creating new heavens, new earths, new galaxies, or whole new Universes. Or is maybe just doing nothing.

As for me, I have know real method of answering such questions, and why should I believe some pope is a dope explanation as any more valid?
 

Matthiasa

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Depending on how you break it down, with our technology we are like gods compared to just about everything on this planet.
 

Descartes

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I prefer Einstein's idea of God, that being whatever force/spirit/being/entity preceded what we know. Any attributes ascribed to this form of God beyond the basic acknowledgement that something had to occur is a fool's errand. In this respect, I'm more of a logical positivist, though deism always felt like a very clean, simple answer to at least begin to think something constructive.

Religion, on the other hand, is to me a mental crutch for those that simply can't help but think they're the center of the world. This hubris started with pure anthropocentric views pre-Enlightenment to what we have today, a false overture to unity backed by the same feelings of being special.

I know only one thing: No one knows the truth. Anyone that thinks they do is a fool, and anyone that thinks someone else does and beholds themselves to such a person is an even greater fool. If there is a path to God, it sure as hell isn't through another person (I admit that I just made my own assumption there).
 

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I'm convinced that humans are the most conceited species possible. We have some three pounds of brain that thinks it knows or can know everything. A finite creature who says it knows things that it cannot, and will defend it's position to extraordinary lengths.

I simply don't know how things work. There may be a God who is in charge of everything. I can't objectively know. That I don't see one doesn't change a thing. So I don't beat people over the head, although where there is evidence (like the age of the Universe, or evolution) I'll say so.

This comes down to a competition of egos, not intellect.

Pretty much. Which is why it IS irrational to be an Atheist, and even less rational to be Deist.

Agnosticism is basically the only rational course.