I'm picking up a coppermine this weekend at a computer show, cb0 stepping. I'm debating between a 650e and a 700e. The 650e is cheaper and I have the ram and motherboard to run it above 133mhz, if it'll clock that high. In other words, if the core quality between these chips is close, I may as well get the 650e and clock it at a higher frequency. What are you 650e owners getting out of these chips?