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How hard is it for a Mexican to visit the US on vacation?

Doppel

Doppel

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These border crossings have millions of people go through them a year, so certainly it must be quite possible if not easy in many cases for a Mexican to visit the US. If that's true, why do some pay hundreds or more to cross the border illegally? Is that only people with no papers, who'd for some obvious reason be rejected if they tried to cross? Do many say they are visiting the US for the day and just never go home?
 
Doppel said:
These border crossings have millions of people go through them a year, so certainly it must be quite possible if not easy in many cases for a Mexican to visit the US. If that's true, why do some pay hundreds or more to cross the border illegally? Is that only people with no papers, who'd for some obvious reason be rejected if they tried to cross? Do many say they are visiting the US for the day and just never go home?
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You would think getting a temporary visa would be easy - it's official and they have your information, so it would be much harder to stay illegally on the visa.

That said, I believe vacation visas are probably unheard of, because of the amt of hoops one would have to jump through with all the border tensions.

Just my 2¢
 
Rich Mexicans vacation in the US all the time. They have no problems getting visas.

Poor out of work Mexicans cannot because they are never granted visas.
 
Wreckem said:
Rich Mexicans vacation in the US all the time. They have no problems getting visas.

Poor out of work Mexicans cannot because they are never granted visas.
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So basically they apply for visa, have no proof of money or anything and never get one because US knows they will just stay here...
 
Doppel said:
So basically they apply for visa, have no proof of money or anything and never get one because US knows they will just stay here...
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Basically, except poor Mexicans dont apply because it costs money to apply and they know they wont get one.
 
I know around the Texas Mexico border you ain't walking through there. Maybe if you're Bear Grylls. It is a barren desert and wouldn't wish walking through there on my worst enemy.
 
From what I have been told those who conduct the interviews for VISAs are fluent in both Spanish and English and if you are able to conduct your interview in fluent English, it looks better than someone who only speaks spanish and if you use lots of slang and improper grammar while speaking Spanish it looks really bad,
 
It's easy if you're wealthy. As long as you can show the guy who's interviewing you that you have the means (wealth) you're good to go.

Also the first time getting the visa to visit is the hardest, subsequent visits are much easier.
 
I've known pregnant spanish girls that crossed back and forth several times to NY with ease. I ask but they don't tell me how they do it. It does seem to a pretty normalized and common route among illegals.
 
BoomerD said:
I watch Border Wars on NatGeo.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/border-wars/

They show LOTS of illegals crossing the Texas/Mexico border, both across the Rio Grande as well as in the desert.

Yes, Mexicans come to the USA legally on vacation all the time. I see plenty of cars/trucks with Mexico license plates on them on the freeways here.
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Yeah I was watching Drug Wars last night 🙂

I also saw yesterday that Texas is getting a half dozen boats with mounted machine guns on them to better navigate the rio grande.
 
It is very easy. I did volunteer Search and Rescue in Southeast Arizona (about 10 miles from the border), and we had a call for a mentally handicapped man who had ran away from the house he was living in with other mentally handicapped people. We couldn't find him all night, so later they found him over the mexican border with no documentation/license/nothing.

Mexicans would come up every single weekend to the swap meets in Tucson, and the malls. Nicely dressed as well.
 
janas19 said:
You would think getting a temporary visa would be easy - it's official and they have your information, so it would be much harder to stay illegally on the visa.
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I don't see how it is harder to stay illegally on a visa. Just don't leave.
 
quikah said:
I don't see how it is harder to stay illegally on a visa. Just don't leave.
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yeah the police and immigration are powerless against this....

seriously if you never got into the system it's harder to figure out.

That's one of the reasons I think a pure sales tax system would be beneficial.
 
alkemyst said:
yeah the police and immigration are powerless against this....

seriously if you never got into the system it's harder to figure out.

That's one of the reasons I think a pure sales tax system would be beneficial.
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I'll try to not derail the thread too much by asking you, but why a sales tax and not an income tax? I'd be in favor of the latter.
 
Doppel said:
So basically they apply for visa, have no proof of money or anything and never get one because US knows they will just stay here...
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Goes for any nationality. If you can not show a reason for returning, a visitor visa is out of the question.
 
Joseph F said:
I'll try to not derail the thread too much by asking you, but why a sales tax and not an income tax? I'd be in favor of the latter.
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You really serious? sales tax affects everyone that buys anything. Income tax only affects those legally working.

That's why it's easy to qualify for welfare type programs and still be working under the table.
 
alkemyst said:
You really serious? sales tax affects everyone that buys anything. Income tax only affects those legally working.

That's why it's easy to qualify for welfare type programs and still be working under the table.
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That's a good point that I hadn't thought of.
Thanks for taking the time to answer me.
 
alkemyst said:
yeah the police and immigration are powerless against this....

seriously if you never got into the system it's harder to figure out.

That's one of the reasons I think a pure sales tax system would be beneficial.
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Are you familiar with the Regressive aspect of sales taxes? If you are familiar with the concept of a regressive tax, then why would a pure sales tax system be beneficial in comparison to the pain it would cause most people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressive_tax

Regressive tax
A regressive tax is a tax imposed in such a manner that the tax rate decreases as the amount subject to taxation increases. "Regressive" describes a distribution effect on income or expenditure, referring to the way the rate progresses from high to low, where the average tax rate exceeds the marginal tax rate. In terms of individual income and wealth, a regressive tax imposes a greater burden (relative to resources) on the poor than on the rich — there is an inverse relationship between the tax rate and the taxpayer's ability to pay as measured by assets, consumption, or income.
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alkemyst said:
You really serious? sales tax affects everyone that buys anything. Income tax only affects those legally working.

That's why it's easy to qualify for welfare type programs and still be working under the table.
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You can also fix the regressive nature of this tax by sending out a "Pre-bate" on the taxes that would be paid on sales up-to the expenditures at the poverty level.

Let's say 24k is how much a family of 4 has at poverty. Let's say we have a 50% sales tax. Well, every family of four, no matter their income, gets a pre-bate of 1k / month. This makes the regressive tax only kick-in after you get past poverty.

Funnily enough, though, only those who are legally here would get the pre-bate. This would mean that a family that is illegally here would pay an extra 12k in taxes annually.
 
DixyCrat said:
You can also fix the regressive nature of this tax by sending out a "Pre-bate" on the taxes that would be paid on sales up-to the expenditures at the poverty level.

Let's say 24k is how much a family of 4 has at poverty. Let's say we have a 50% sales tax. Well, every family of four, no matter their income, gets a pre-bate of 1k / month. This makes the regressive tax only kick-in after you get past poverty.

Funnily enough, though, only those who are legally here would get the pre-bate. This would mean that a family that is illegally here would pay an extra 12k in taxes annually.
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I think it best not to make people dependent on a welfare-like pre-bate by not creating a pure sales tax to begin with.
 
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