How good are Parcells and Gibbs?

[PlatinumGold]

obviously they aren't Lombardi or Laundry.

but are they better than Madden was? are they better than Shula?

parcells is probably one of the greatest at building teams, what is this his 4th team?? all of them improved during his tenure.

gibbs has more SB victories.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

madden was not a particulary stellar coach IMO

 

[Zim Hosein]

Madden > Everyone else

Besides, only Madden has a video game!

 

[ThePresence]

Parcells >>>>>>> Gibbs.

 

[PlatinumGold]

madden won 2 SuperBowls. he got burned out tho, but he was better than average.

he obviously isn't in the class with lombardi, laundry mb shula, but he is definitely better than the average coach.

 

[Ausm]

Parcells is a no nonsense Coach...I think Gibbs will have a hard time adjusting after taking 10 years off.

Ausm

 

[manly]

Parcells is perhaps the greatest coach of our generation, if not for the accomplishments of his disciple Bill Belichick.

Parcells has not won it all without Belichick.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: manly
Parcells is perhaps the greatest coach of our generation, if not for the accomplishments of his disciple Bill Belichick.

Parcells has not won it all without Belichick.

the greatness of the disciple is also a testament to the masters greatness.

sure eventually, belicheck may pass up parcells, but right now, parcells is as good as i've seen, and i grew up a Tom Laundry / Roger Staubach / Dallas Cowboys fan (i stopped being a cowboys fan after Jerry Jones took over).

of course Jimmy Johnson was a pretty good coach too.

 

Watching that little pregame story thing they had going?

Parcells should have lost superbowl XXV

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Watching that little pregame story thing they had going?

Parcells should have lost superbowl XXV

What? The Giants controlled the ball for something like 40 minutes in that game. Every snap was with 1 second left on the clock, it was genius. He lost his starting QB (Simms) and had a backup playing (Hostetler). He should not have lost it, it was a pretty long FG attempt by Norwood. One of the best games EVER.

 

[manly]

I don't know if Jimmy Johnson was a great coach. Arguably, anyone who loaned away Herschel Walker for about 7 seasons (he eventually came back all washed up) in exchange for a truck load of talent to build a dynasty could have been very successful. Heck, even the dolt known as Barry Switzer was able to win with JJ's team, which is exactly what Jerry Jones wanted to prove by parting ways with Jimmy.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SampSon
Watching that little pregame story thing they had going?

Parcells should have lost superbowl XXV

What? The Giants controlled the ball for something like 40 minutes in that game. Every snap was with 1 second left on the clock, it was genius. He lost his starting QB (Simms) and had a backup playing (Hostetler). He should not have lost it, it was a pretty long FG attempt by Norwood. One of the best games EVER.

the bills really had it tough.

they lost 2 to the giants and 2 to the cowboys right?

 

[DrPizza]

Personally, I think Gibbs is one of the greatest coaches ever... He won a superbowl with Ripien in as QB... need I say more??

Check ESPN's lineup of the greatest coaches of all time: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ge=list/bestnflcoaches

1. Vince Lombardi
2. Paul Brown
3. Don Shula
4. Tom Landry
5. Joe Gibbs
6. Bill Walsh
7. George Halas
8. Chuck Noll
9. John Madden
10. (tie) George Allen, Bill Parcells

 

[PlatinumGold]

i'm not sure i'd put shula 3rd tho.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SampSon
Watching that little pregame story thing they had going?

Parcells should have lost superbowl XXV

What? The Giants controlled the ball for something like 40 minutes in that game. Every snap was with 1 second left on the clock, it was genius. He lost his starting QB (Simms) and had a backup playing (Hostetler). He should not have lost it, it was a pretty long FG attempt by Norwood. One of the best games EVER.

the bills really had it tough.

they lost 2 to the giants and 2 to the cowboys right?

1 to the Giants
1 to the Skins
2 to Dallas

Go NFC East!!

edit: incidentally, I believe the Bills SHOULD have won the superbowl vs. the Giants. They had an incredible team.. but bad coaching. A lot of people liked Levy, but seriously, Mickey Mouse could have led that team to the playoffs. I can't remember if the Thurman Thomas incident was during the Giants or Redskins SB, but htf do you lose your helmet? No discipline on the team.

 

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SampSon
Watching that little pregame story thing they had going?

Parcells should have lost superbowl XXV

What? The Giants controlled the ball for something like 40 minutes in that game. Every snap was with 1 second left on the clock, it was genius. He lost his starting QB (Simms) and had a backup playing (Hostetler). He should not have lost it, it was a pretty long FG attempt by Norwood. One of the best games EVER.

In thoes 40 minutes they could only squeeze out 20 points.
Scott Norwood was automatic at that point. A 47yard fieldgoal was run of the mill for him.
Parcells knows he shouldn't have won that one. Oh well, he's still a great coach.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i'm not sure i'd put shula 3rd tho.

In all honesty, I'd probably knock both Landry and Shula back a few and push Madden closer to the front. Gibbs vs Madden is pretty close in my opinion, and I think the 2 of them should round out the 3rd and 4th position. Madden had an outstanding winning record. Gibbs won 3 superbowls with 3 different quarterbacks - he got the job done regardless of who he had to work with. (again.. Rypien? and anyone remember Doug Williams? Theisman was a good quarterback, but entirely too cocky - he eventually admitted it was his fault they lost to the Raiders.

 

[Childs]

Shula is overrated. Aside from the perfect season, he hasn't done squat.

And Madden was one of the reason the Raiders had that highest winning percentage in all of sports up until around 10 years ago.

My Top 6:

Lombardi
Brown
Walsh
Knoll/Madden
Parcells

And now you can start talking about Shula, Landry, Gibbs.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SampSon
Watching that little pregame story thing they had going?

Parcells should have lost superbowl XXV

What? The Giants controlled the ball for something like 40 minutes in that game. Every snap was with 1 second left on the clock, it was genius. He lost his starting QB (Simms) and had a backup playing (Hostetler). He should not have lost it, it was a pretty long FG attempt by Norwood. One of the best games EVER.

In thoes 40 minutes they could only squeeze out 20 points.
Scott Norwood was automatic at that point. A 47yard fieldgoal was run of the mill for him.
Parcells knows he shouldn't have won that one. Oh well, he's still a great coach.

Actually, it was the second longest outdoor attempt of his career. They only scored 20 points because he didn't want his backup QB throwing INT's.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SampSon
Watching that little pregame story thing they had going?

Parcells should have lost superbowl XXV

What? The Giants controlled the ball for something like 40 minutes in that game. Every snap was with 1 second left on the clock, it was genius. He lost his starting QB (Simms) and had a backup playing (Hostetler). He should not have lost it, it was a pretty long FG attempt by Norwood. One of the best games EVER.

In thoes 40 minutes they could only squeeze out 20 points.
Scott Norwood was automatic at that point. A 47yard fieldgoal was run of the mill for him.
Parcells knows he shouldn't have won that one. Oh well, he's still a great coach.

BS. Norwood sucked from that distance. He was incredibly accurate for close FG's... one of the highest percentages... but his accuracy dropped off quickly beyond 40 yards. His longest kick he made as a Bill was 49 yards... and he was put in a 47 yard situation.. upper limit of his range. Although his 47 yard attempt was way more than long enough, he consistently had trouble kicking long - leading to the Bills signing another kicker for kick-offs (Norwood wasn't long enough) and eventually Steve Christie took over both positions.

 

[PlatinumGold]

i like laundry at #3 myself.

i'm surprised tho that we even had one post questioning gibbs, madden or parcells. all three are very very good coaches.