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imported_Rampage

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Originally posted by: alm4rr
Let's see some scans of the police report........

lol

first you want the situation now you want my POLICE report??

yeah i'm going to scan in my police report to prove to a few idiots who dont believe me! right.

i'd have to cover up everything personal about me thats on it (practically tells everything about me, which I'm not going to share) has my court date, my location everything

no thanks just to get some sort of respect or credibility with you :disgust:
seriously i'll post my situaton here, but im not obligated to doing a damn thing and if you dotn believe me then fine. wait till somethign similar happens to you, if you even drink, leave your parents basement or have a social life at all. :disgust:
i really dont need a few nerds respect here.

speaking of which i have a university football game to go to. enjoy ATOT ;)
 

TallBill

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Wow, where to even start on this thread. Try reading through this analysis.

First of all, I can?t side with you or the campus police about what happened in your situation since I wasn't there. It does sound like you were criminal trespassing, although perhaps unknowingly, perhaps knowingly. Once again, without being there we just don?t know.

If they truly came flying in lights flashing, and surrounded you, and yelled at you to get down, your adrenaline would start pumping. Now 1 of 3 things would start happening. You'd either get down on the ground as soon as possible, or you'd get defensive, or you'd run.

I'm guessing that you didn't just get down onto the ground. You were possibly questioning why they wanted you to get down, and what you had done wrong. You were cold and didn't want to get down. And if they did "slam" you down, then there was no way that you could have already been down.

The next possible scenario is getting defensive. Now I'm not saying that you raised your fists or temper, but your mental guard probably went up. I'm guessing that this is what happened, since most people won?t run and then complain afterwards. The problem with this likely scenario is that we get into the grey unknown area.

We do know that you were drinking, so you were not 100% no matter what you think. It is not possible to drink one beer and be 100%. Now seeing the fact that you are a college student, heading to a college party, after already drinking, skipping through a field, in a group probably brings up quite a strong opinion already formed. Like possibly the fact that you had several beverages, or felt inconvenienced to stop having fun.

What happened from there, well it?s possible that you were giving attitude or sarcasm, which based on this thread seems like a very likely option. Perhaps it was warranted or perhaps it wasn't but you ended up arrested. And it sucks that you got a cut chin if you weren?t being physical, but it wasn't necessarily intentional. If I ever have to arrest someone that was drinking and mouthing off even in the slightest, they'd get cuffed in the prone position, simply for officer safety. Nothing scarier then trying to handcuff someone, and have them flip out.

I will dispute the fact that you were slammed down though. If I slammed a person's head into the ground, there would be a lot more damage then a cut chin. Maybe they got a tad bit overzealous, maybe your intoxication didn't help, or maybe you or they just slipped and you ended up cut.

Ok, so far so good. Not a pleasurable event, but not the end of the world. Now let?s get into the post arresting events.

You claim that you were picked on because you are poor. Well, these are campus police correct? That would mean that they patrol the campus, which is mainly composed of college students. When I was in school a few years back, 99% of college students were strapped for cash. That?s like fish complaining that fishermen catch them and not zebras. Your argument here is completely invalid.

You state that next time you will drink and drive instead of drink and walk. Wait a minute; I thought you said you were 100% able to begin with? If you were to drunk to drive, then maybe you don?t remember everything 100% either. And claiming that you will commit a much more serious crime in the future is really a great way to prove yourself.

You claim that you are to poor to fight the crime. That?s quite simply not a valid statement either. We've seen an anandtech member who truly seemed put in a wrong spot by a police officer. It took several court dates without a lawyer, but he ended up not-guilty. There are always of course public defenders too. I have personally sat in a courtroom and watched teenagers who were on trial for government trespassing, which is much more serious then private trespassing. They were all guilty, nobody was denying it. But the ones who fought it a little all ended up with about half of the fine of the ones who just said guilty right off the bat.

If you felt wrong about the police or the legal system, there are appropriate ways to handle it. Bitching on the internet or harassing other police officers is not the way to go about it.

And harassing and name calling on Anandtech violates the rules of the message board anyways. It?s going to happen a little bit regardless, but stop beating a dead horse.

Anyways, that?s all I can think of for right now. Perhaps if I had my college degree, it would have been better.
 

qaa541

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University police are fully empowered police officers. They should be treated as any regular police officer because they have the same power to arrest you as a city cop.
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: Sukhoi
I thought there was a "change in culture" here? Why are people like southpawuni allowed to be blatant trolls?
If this guy doesn't get permabanned, I'll be severely disappointed.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
If I get cancer someday... (snipped)
We can only hope.

You are a loser dude. I know several cops and for the most part they are only dicks if the person they're dealing with gives them reason to be. With your attitude I can't imagine why you had a bad experience.

 

tommywishbone

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I say, go for it. The full verbal blitzkreig, and then find out where they park the securitymoblie, and then tie a big cable to the rear axle and drive by and throw eggs at them. When they chase you they will tear off their axle and crash. They are basically shopping mall cops... the skys the limit.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: tommywishbone
I say, go for it. The full verbal blitzkreig, and then find out where they park the securitymoblie, and then tie a big cable to the rear axle and drive by and throw eggs at them. When they chase you they will tear off their axle and crash. They are basically shopping mall cops... the skys the limit.

Yeah, then jail time for communicating a threat, damage to government property, assault on a police officer.
 

CanOWorms

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How many stitches did you have? Do the police pay for it? If you get a permanent scar, do they pay for plastic surgery to remove it? It seems excessive to use that much violence against someone for what you described.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
How many stitches did you have? Do the police pay for it? If you get a permanent scar, do they pay for plastic surgery to remove it? It seems excessive to use that much violence against someone for what you described.

Read my long post above.
 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: AntaresVI
it never made me sad to hear someone dodged the police, or beat a cops ass, or even when a cop gets shot.

Again, I hope you get robbed, beaten, kidnapped, and used as slave labor by a band of armed thugs.

Oh yeah, you'll just beat them all back....with your bare hands. Good luck, tough guy :)

And I've had some of those things happen to me.

Cops nowhere to be seen. As usual.
Good.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Arrested me for stupid BS.. when I was trying to do the RIGHT thing.

I'm not even going to go over it because theres a bunch of self rightous people here (like bradruth) who will say "yup but you broke the law NARF NARF NARF"

basically i was minding my own business, NOT drinking and driving because I dont do that. It wasnt just public intox so dont even assume.

One of my old tenats is: "who is the criminal, the person starving stealing bread, or the officer arresting her?"

something to think about.
and no, it doesnt apply to my situation directly, I didnt steal bread.
But its the same basic concept.

The person stealing the bread.

So let her starve.

You ARE a Christian arent you?
If he arrests her, she might end up in prison. She can get fed regularly there.

If she doesn't go to prison, she can keep on stealing bread.

What's the problem?
 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: southpawuni
And how old are you? :)

That explains your holier than thou attitude in every thread you are involved in..

and as insecure as you seem with all your "I'm right, you're wrong" BS, the badge must be a good, easy way for you to feel like you have some sort of authority.

Hide behind the badge.
Someday when you pull some guy over, take the badge off and see how big of a man you really are. From the attitude you seem to you have, you are a very small person inside. You dont have the heart. You'll get pummeled to death in the city streets if you try to take a criminal on man-to-man.

21...22 this Friday.

How's that?

I'm not the one getting defensive and throwing out insults.

That's a nice attempt at getting me to stoop to your level, but it's not going to happen. I don't get your obsession with the removal of the badge...unpinning it doesn't mean I'm not a cop anymore. I've had a number of hand-to-hand combat situations. We're not in the business of fighting "man-to-man," we fight to stop the threat.

No wonder your a moron. You're a dumb kid who has yet to open his eyes that the police arent some godly force that everyone should bow down too.
They are human too, and make mistakes and are to be fought and questioned like anything else in life.

Grow up, go through some hard knocks, live in a real city where there is real crime and you pickup more than just jay-walkers.. and tell me your opinions then ok tough-boy cop?
Once you get out of North Dakota and experience the vastness and complexity of the real word.. then you can talk. Until then you are just an arrogant dick pretending to be some sort of authority in every thread you post in.
buddy you life in California. you're not one to talk about the real world.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: southpawuni
And how old are you? :)

That explains your holier than thou attitude in every thread you are involved in..

and as insecure as you seem with all your "I'm right, you're wrong" BS, the badge must be a good, easy way for you to feel like you have some sort of authority.

Hide behind the badge.
Someday when you pull some guy over, take the badge off and see how big of a man you really are. From the attitude you seem to you have, you are a very small person inside. You dont have the heart. You'll get pummeled to death in the city streets if you try to take a criminal on man-to-man.

21...22 this Friday.

How's that?

I'm not the one getting defensive and throwing out insults.

That's a nice attempt at getting me to stoop to your level, but it's not going to happen. I don't get your obsession with the removal of the badge...unpinning it doesn't mean I'm not a cop anymore. I've had a number of hand-to-hand combat situations. We're not in the business of fighting "man-to-man," we fight to stop the threat.

No wonder your a moron. You're a dumb kid who has yet to open his eyes that the police arent some godly force that everyone should bow down too.
They are human too, and make mistakes and are to be fought and questioned like anything else in life.

Grow up, go through some hard knocks, live in a real city where there is real crime and you pickup more than just jay-walkers.. and tell me your opinions then ok tough-boy cop?
Once you get out of North Dakota and experience the vastness and complexity of the real word.. then you can talk. Until then you are just an arrogant dick pretending to be some sort of authority in every thread you post in.
I had to look twice and see if my eyes weren't deceiving me. This is what I would expect somebody to say to you, southpawuni.
 

rahvin

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So your a thief. You deserved to be arrested. What you think you need doesn't entitle you to take from others and only a selfish thief would think it does.
 

I Saw OJ

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Wow, where to even start on this thread. Try reading through this analysis.

First of all, I can?t side with you or the campus police about what happened in your situation since I wasn't there. It does sound like you were criminal trespassing, although perhaps unknowingly, perhaps knowingly. Once again, without being there we just don?t know.

If they truly came flying in lights flashing, and surrounded you, and yelled at you to get down, your adrenaline would start pumping. Now 1 of 3 things would start happening. You'd either get down on the ground as soon as possible, or you'd get defensive, or you'd run.

I'm guessing that you didn't just get down onto the ground. You were possibly questioning why they wanted you to get down, and what you had done wrong. You were cold and didn't want to get down. And if they did "slam" you down, then there was no way that you could have already been down.

The next possible scenario is getting defensive. Now I'm not saying that you raised your fists or temper, but your mental guard probably went up. I'm guessing that this is what happened, since most people won?t run and then complain afterwards. The problem with this likely scenario is that we get into the grey unknown area.

We do know that you were drinking, so you were not 100% no matter what you think. It is not possible to drink one beer and be 100%. Now seeing the fact that you are a college student, heading to a college party, after already drinking, skipping through a field, in a group probably brings up quite a strong opinion already formed. Like possibly the fact that you had several beverages, or felt inconvenienced to stop having fun.

What happened from there, well it?s possible that you were giving attitude or sarcasm, which based on this thread seems like a very likely option. Perhaps it was warranted or perhaps it wasn't but you ended up arrested. And it sucks that you got a cut chin if you weren?t being physical, but it wasn't necessarily intentional. If I ever have to arrest someone that was drinking and mouthing off even in the slightest, they'd get cuffed in the prone position, simply for officer safety. Nothing scarier then trying to handcuff someone, and have them flip out.

I will dispute the fact that you were slammed down though. If I slammed a person's head into the ground, there would be a lot more damage then a cut chin. Maybe they got a tad bit overzealous, maybe your intoxication didn't help, or maybe you or they just slipped and you ended up cut.

Ok, so far so good. Not a pleasurable event, but not the end of the world. Now let?s get into the post arresting events.

You claim that you were picked on because you are poor. Well, these are campus police correct? That would mean that they patrol the campus, which is mainly composed of college students. When I was in school a few years back, 99% of college students were strapped for cash. That?s like fish complaining that fishermen catch them and not zebras. Your argument here is completely invalid.

You state that next time you will drink and drive instead of drink and walk. Wait a minute; I thought you said you were 100% able to begin with? If you were to drunk to drive, then maybe you don?t remember everything 100% either. And claiming that you will commit a much more serious crime in the future is really a great way to prove yourself.

You claim that you are to poor to fight the crime. That?s quite simply not a valid statement either. We've seen an anandtech member who truly seemed put in a wrong spot by a police officer. It took several court dates without a lawyer, but he ended up not-guilty. There are always of course public defenders too. I have personally sat in a courtroom and watched teenagers who were on trial for government trespassing, which is much more serious then private trespassing. They were all guilty, nobody was denying it. But the ones who fought it a little all ended up with about half of the fine of the ones who just said guilty right off the bat.

If you felt wrong about the police or the legal system, there are appropriate ways to handle it. Bitching on the internet or harassing other police officers is not the way to go about it.

And harassing and name calling on Anandtech violates the rules of the message board anyways. It?s going to happen a little bit regardless, but stop beating a dead horse.

Anyways, that?s all I can think of for right now. Perhaps if I had my college degree, it would have been better.


TallBill FTW!


and also, STFU southpawuni
You come across as a little sh*t head and probably deserved everything you got. Take is as a life?s lesson not to argue with the cops, and just do what they say, when they say.

BTW dont start talking about the real world, you're still in college, you have no idea how the real world works

Seth
 

Man, these insults aren't even good. After that nice little story, I expected some GOOD insults to come from people about cops. Cmon..try harder!
 

Originally posted by: Finalnight
why isn't op banned yet?

Because the change in culture seems to have been an empty threat. What good is this supposed "change" if it is never enforced? Its like having a law against masterbation...sure, its on the books, but it isnt enforced...so, is it really a law?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: Finalnight
why isn't op banned yet?

Because the change in culture seems to have been an empty threat. What good is this supposed "change" if it is never enforced? Its like having a law against masterbation...sure, its on the books, but it isnt enforced...so, is it really a law?

only those that were banned fromt eh change of culture were those that wanted honest answeres about it.

wait!? masterbation is against the law? oh oh..
 

Injury

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: Injury
As blatently dumb as you make yourself come across in this thread, I doubt your side of the story is 100% acurate.

12 cops don't just randomly show up in an area that is, as you describe, devoid of activity and population.


The irony here is that you are making so many generalizations and stereotypes about people in this thread, yet if anything did happen (and I question the entire situation), the reason it did happen was because they stereotyped you... way to make the same mistake!


On top of all that, you'd have to be pretty thick skulled to think that verbally insulting someone is the proper way to go about handling the situation. Come on. That hasn't been effective since third grade. You're apparently in college, stop acting like an uneducated fool.


It's funny that so many people are insulting Badruth for saying exactly what is true and doing things exactly the way anyone else in his position would do.

rofl

i knew it. why even post the fvkking situation if you arent going to believe me?
people ask for the situation, i post it and now this BS. thats why i didnt even bother in the first place, just asked what the limits on what i could get away with to at least get some petty jab in.

if you ask for the situation, i post it, and you dont believe it.. then its probably time you left the thread.

im listening to red dawn though, he seems pretty hardened into the real world contrary to basicallye everyone else here.

The problem here is that your behavior in this thread has discredited you so much that we don't believe a thing you say. In this thread you come across as a whiney Freshman who listens to too many rap/punk albums that makes him think that the police, no matter what they do, are trying to oppress somebody.

Personally, I don't care if they injured you. I don't care if you were detained for a crime that you think you were innocent of. I don't care if you think the police are abusing their power. I care about the police officer's point of view. Everyone who thinks the police are asses rarely think about their standpoint. They put their life on the line to enforce even the most simple laws and all they get in return is a bunch of comments from punk kids who think they are smarter than the rest of the world.

Enter reality.

Police work is the single most dangerous line of work in the country. You have a better chance of getting assaulted as a police officer than you do in the military... and it's in routine and everyday situations. Police officers must be on the defensive every second. Whether they are issuing a traffic citation to an old lady or arresting a known felon for violent activity.

They risk their lives for YOU. I know some of you idiots might think I sound like some sort of sheep, but I have an Uncle that is a white Cincinnati Police officer (a city dominated by racial tension) and I hope and pray that he comes home safe everyday... I can't imagine how scared him and his wife get on a regular basis.

The point is that I would much prefer you getting banged up because an officer thought you were a threat than one of the police officers getting harmed. I don't care if you were innocent or not. If they think there is a threat, I feel they have every right to act in a non-deadly manner to protect themselves, first and formost.

Now since that issue is out of the way...

once again, I have to say grow up. If it were as bad as you said, you would be talking to a lawyer. You even have the gull to say that you want to get a petty jab in and try exact revenge in the manner of insults, as if that would reconcile the whole situation.

Get a brain. Seriously. I have never been so dissappointed in humanity in an ATOT thread in my life.

Stop being a little cry baby since you were detained. If it were a serious issue, you'd be in contact with a lawyer. I'll go as far as to say if you whine about it any more without contacting a lawyer, you're nothing but a dirty liar about the whole situation.

That's my challenge to you. If you were, in fact, harrassed and detained beyond your rights as a US citizen and you were unjustly brutalized enough to warrant complaining, contact a lawyer before you even post a reply. Your failure to do so is nothing more than evidence that either this situation did not happen, was not the extremity that you claim, or is your way of trying to mask guilt for a situation that you are actually guilty of. If you don't contact a lawyer, then you might as well shut up and realize that you are just a whiner and you are pissed because the police were right to respond to a situation in a defensive manner.

TO TOP IT OFF... You can hardly say you were targeted because you can't defend yourself.

Every major university has campus legal services, designed for the exact reason you claim to have. Campus legal services is FREE legal consultation for students in situations that require legal counsel. Oftentimes they will even represent you in a court case.

So, with that said, shut up or take action on . Your call. Again, your response to the situation is the best proof to whether you are guilty or even just blowing this out of proportion.

I'd love to see a copy of the police report that is required to be filed, too. Obtain one and scan it.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
TallBill FTW!


and also, STFU southpawuni
You come across as a little sh*t head and probably deserved everything you got. Take is as a life?s lesson not to argue with the cops, and just do what they say, when they say.

BTW dont start talking about the real world, you're still in college, you have no idea how the real world works

Seth


Well at least I know one person read that uber long post :p
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: LoKe
You can't call them Pigs, that's like me calling you a ******, it's verbal harassment. You can pull a sarcastic tone, but...if it's your university, you're best just leaving them alone.

I was planning on waiting till after I graduate

i'll find one alone when im with a bunch of people and say something like

"ya you are doing a good job! im sure you are pretty tough behind that badge, why dont you get a real job"

something of that nature

i always wanted to find a cop, have him take off that badge and go man-to-man when he cant hide behind it or his gun. cowards, i hope the ACLU or some organization just rapes the police someday.

where's all this anger coming from?