How far back in time for HD4600 to be top dog?

[Hulk]

How far back in time would we have to go where the HD4600 iGPU would have been as fast as the fastest single cards available? And what were those cards be?

Quake III days? How fast would the HD4600 run the Q3 deathmatch time demo or whatever those benches were called?

 

[Ventanni]

Lol I actually downloaded the Quake 3 demo and did a timedemo on both Demo1 and Demo2.

1024x768x32 max settings, 3770k stock, Geforce 285

938fps for demo1
902fps for demo2

That's a 10x fold increase from my P3 @ 1.0ghz + Geforce 2 GTS lol.

When I get back from work, I'll see about benching it on my HD4000.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

~2005

 

[Hulk]

Lol I actually downloaded the Quake 3 demo and did a timedemo on both Demo1 and Demo2.

1024x768x32 max settings, 3770k stock, Geforce 285

938fps for demo1
902fps for demo2

That's a 10x fold increase from my P3 @ 1.0ghz + Geforce 2 GTS lol.

When I get back from work, I'll see about benching it on my HD4000.

Quake 3 was the Crysis of it's day. Those frame rates are ridiculous!

The HD4000 result will be an interesting point of comparison. Thanks!

 

[mojothehut]

210fps on demo 1, 1280x1024

On my old baby.
AMD XP 2500+ (yeeea Barton core baby!)
1gb DDR400
Nvidia 6800 Ultra :awe:
Win XP Pro 64bit

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I'll dig out an even older rig in the back of my closet. Pretty sure it still works (fingers crossed)

It's an AMD 1.3ghz Thunderbird
Running an Nvidia Geforce 4 ti4200, giggity

 

[Ventanni]

FYI, you guys can download the Q3 Demo from Steam for free. It's a quick 48mb download if you want to join the benching fun.

 

[DominionSeraph]

~2005

Yeah, I think the 8800 GTX beats it and that was late 2006. It's probably closer to 7800 GTX which is mid 2005.

 

[Techhog]

Definitely better than the Quake 3 days. it should be on-par with the last gen consoles (PS3/360/WiiU), so 2005 sounds about right.

 

[Z15CAM]

nVidia with their GTX 280 was Top Dog between the Ati HD 3870 to HD 4870 era. The HD 4600 series was never a Top Dog.; however, the GTX 280 price was horrendous.

 

[Torn Mind]

nVidia with their GTX 280 was Top Dog between the Ati HD 3870 to HD 4870 era. The HD 4600 series was never a Top Dog.; however, the GTX 280 price was horrendous.

Wrong company and GPU.

 

[PliotronX]

Lol I actually downloaded the Quake 3 demo and did a timedemo on both Demo1 and Demo2.

1024x768x32 max settings, 3770k stock, Geforce 285

938fps for demo1
902fps for demo2

That's a 10x fold increase from my P3 @ 1.0ghz + Geforce 2 GTS lol.

When I get back from work, I'll see about benching it on my HD4000.

What a kick, I remember setting it to lower details and r_picmip 5 to keep the frames over 125Hz Had a P3 700E cB0 @ 1Gig and a Visiontek GF2 GTS too.

 

[Z15CAM]

Wrong company and GPU.

You have made the same mistake as I did where I didn't notice the "i" in "iGPU" so I assume the OP is referencing the Intel Integrated Graphics ;o)

 

[Ventanni]

As promised, I did a test on my HD4000. Mind you, this isn't the HD4600 that the OP was requesting, but you can get an idea where it might stand.

Demo1 - 518fps
Demo2 - 510fps

Same settings - 1024x768x32 Everything maxed. Core i7 3770k @ stock

Honestly, I think it's safe to place the HD4600 at 8800GTS/GTX levels, maybe? I think a more fair assessment would be how well does the HD4600 play Half-Life 2 at 1080p, then compare that. Quake 3 is such an old game that a lot of the shading/lighting hardware on it isn't likely to be utilized. For instance, while this is a far older game, when I load up Jedi Knight II, my Geforce 285 plays it fine, but GPU Meter only reports 5% of it being utilized and the temperatures don't even budge.

Old games like Quake 3 are just pixel pushers, really. There's absolutely no way my HD4000 is just over half the speed as my 285 (other games like Planetside 2 and Metro 2033 do not play out like that). But at least Half-Life 2 has a fair mix of lighting complexity, shading, and pixel pushing that would stress all parts of a GPU made between 2005 and 2013.

 

[Ventanni]

What a kick, I remember setting it to lower details and r_picmip 5 to keep the frames over 125Hz Had a P3 700E cB0 @ 1Gig and a Visiontek GF2 GTS too.

Haha, I remember the raging wars between Nvidia and 3dfx during that time. You could get 65fps with a Voodoo5, or you could get 90fps with a Geforce2 GTS at 1024x768. The Geforce2 was so awesome for its time, but I also remember it being so ugly too in comparison with its inferior texture compression techniques. I also could never get over the poor 2D filters used on the Geforce2 as well. It just always hurt my eyes, which is something I didn't experience with the Voodoo cards.

Dem were da days!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I have both, a 9800 GT and a HD 4600 and have run both.

9800 GT is faster, even when I OC my HD4600 by 45% and get great scaling on the Mhz.

HD 4600 is better than the best GPUs in 2005, G80 is just too much though.

Iris Pro is probably comparable to G80, next round of chips should bring up iGPU performance on standard chips like mine to G80 levels and special ones like Iris towards the GTX 260 levels of performance.

 

[Ventanni]

Since you have an HD4600, why don't you download the Q3 demo from Steam and bench it just for s&g's?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

That would mean I'd have to stop my 7950s from printing money before I ship them off to their new homes on Monday...

But if it's for science! Does it have a built in benchmark?


lol it doesn't work on my 7950...

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Lol I actually downloaded the Quake 3 demo and did a timedemo on both Demo1 and Demo2.

1024x768x32 max settings, 3770k stock, Geforce 285

938fps for demo1
902fps for demo2

That's a 10x fold increase from my P3 @ 1.0ghz + Geforce 2 GTS lol.

When I get back from work, I'll see about benching it on my HD4000.

Heh.

Similar numbers here for the average. Interesting though - it doesn't look like FRAPS can display FPS numbers higher than 1000.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

HD4600 @ stock

Demo 1:

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
40433, 65365, 296, 970, 618.573


Demo 2:

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
41646, 69732, 355,1000, 597.229

Settings:

Edit: OC HD4600 @ 1750MHz

Demo 1:

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
53080, 65958, 334,1001, 804.755

Demo 2:

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
52610, 67767, 534,1001, 776.337

 

[Torn Mind]

You have made the same mistake as I did where I didn't notice the "i" in "iGPU" so I assume the OP is referencing the Intel Integrated Graphics ;o)

The response of mine was in response to the mention of ATI in your post, not the opening post . The ATI HD4600 is the wrong GPU, not the Intel IGP.

 

[el etro]

I Think a 7900GTX/1900XTX will be a little faster. Maybe X1900/7900GT??

HD4600 will be around 9500GT-9600GT.

 

[SPBHM]

I Think a 7900GTX/1900XTX will be a little faster. Maybe X1900/7900GT??

HD4600 will be around 9500GT-9600GT.

faster for what?

newer SM3.0 I would expect the HD 4600 to be clearly better than a 7900GTX...

I think the 8800GTX is the oldest card good enough to beat the HD 4600.

 

[NTMBK]

Anand did an interesting comparison- smartphone GPUs and (low power tablet) HD4000 against the GPUs of yesteryear: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6877/the-great-equalizer-part-3/2

That should give you a rough idea of how the HD4600 would perform by comparison.

 

[el etro]

faster for what?

newer SM3.0 I would expect the HD 4600 to be clearly better than a 7900GTX...

I think the 8800GTX is the oldest card good enough to beat the HD 4600.

We're talking about full theoretical performance, independent of graphical technologies added over the time. The OP purpose is to "make HD 4600 the GPU king", No?

 

[SPBHM]

We're talking about full theoretical performance, independent of graphical technologies added over the time. The OP purpose is to "make HD 4600 the GPU king", No?

again, on what? real world performance is not the same as simply theoretical numbers, theoretical numbers for FLOPS would put the HD 4600 on par with the early 2006 high end card, but some other numbers are much lower... and the HD 4600 can do a lot more, and it's probably much faster at running something like Crysis 2 (DX9C game)