How exactly is someone banned by IP?

[BlueWeasel]

Take for example this idiot

I know that people can be banned by IP address that prevents them from coming back with alternate usernames, but wouldn't that affect other people on the same network?

From the post above, his IP address were determined to be:

199.31.3.195
199.31.3.196
199.31.3.197
199.31.3.198

So what IP range would you deny if you wanted to ban this guy? 199.31.3.190 thru 199? Assume that the guy in the cubicle next to this guy also visits AT. Does he get banned as a result of the other guy's actions because he gets assigned an IP in that range?

 

[dullard]

All AOL users are banned as well. You take out some of the good if you want to get rid of the very bad.

 

[Snapster]

Yes, they would get affected. Although there are proxies.....

 

[freegeeks]

199.31.3.195 255.255.255.255
199.31.3.196 255.255.255.255
199.31.3.197 255.255.255.255
199.31.3.198 255.255.255.255

 

[Looney]

Yep, others on the same ISP will be banned too... hence why AOLer can't use this forum.

 

[DnetMHZ]

Yes, there is a chance someone else could be assigned one of those IPs. Unfortunately that person would also be banned, that's just the way it works.

 

[BlueWeasel]

How do most ISP have their dynamic IP setup then? I've noticed that my Comcast IP address changes more than the last 3 digits of the IP. Sometimes my assigned IP is AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD, yet sometimes it can be AAA.BBB.EEE.FFF.

In my mind, that kinda makes it hard to ban someone without banning the entire ISP network.

 

[rh71]

ISPs have ranges of IPs, up to the 3rd octet like your EEE example. Unfortunately, you would ban ranges as far as it takes to keep the same user off.

 

[n0cmonkey]

199.0.0.0/8
:evil:

 

[jst0ney]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
199.0.0.0/8
:evil:

heh

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
199.31.3.195 255.255.255.255
199.31.3.196 255.255.255.255
199.31.3.197 255.255.255.255
199.31.3.198 255.255.255.255

Thats great if they have a static IP, however...what happens if its part of a dynamic IP pool, and the next person logs in and gets that IP...furthermore, the person banned can simply disconnect and reconnect to pull a new IP.

 

[FoBoT]

they ban ranges, the innocent are "collateral damage"

 

[CrackaLackaZe]

Why can't they just ban by account? I thought you couldn't sign up for anandtech with free email addy's. If everyone used their ISP email, school email, etc etc., would they still have to ban by IP?

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe
Why can't they just ban by account? I thought you couldn't sign up for anandtech with free email addy's. If everyone used their ISP email, school email, etc etc., would they still have to ban by IP?

Many people here have personal web hosting and the ability to make new email accounts at will. All you'd have to do is make a new address to get around it.

 

[CrackaLackaZe]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe
Why can't they just ban by account? I thought you couldn't sign up for anandtech with free email addy's. If everyone used their ISP email, school email, etc etc., would they still have to ban by IP?

Many people here have personal web hosting and the ability to make new email accounts at will. All you'd have to do is make a new address to get around it.

Yeah I understand that there are many ways to come up with more email addresses, but what if anandtech limited the allowed email addresses to be the only ones that are provided by the ISPs?

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe
Why can't they just ban by account? I thought you couldn't sign up for anandtech with free email addy's. If everyone used their ISP email, school email, etc etc., would they still have to ban by IP?

That sounds good to me... just don't allow the free email addy's...
That still leaves people with relatively easy ways to get back in here, (more than 1 email acct with their ISP, etc.) It seems that this would manage to block *most* of the problems, but not all of the problems, kinda like it is with IP's banned..

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe
Why can't they just ban by account? I thought you couldn't sign up for anandtech with free email addy's. If everyone used their ISP email, school email, etc etc., would they still have to ban by IP?

Many people here have personal web hosting and the ability to make new email accounts at will. All you'd have to do is make a new address to get around it.

Yeah I understand that there are many ways to come up with more email addresses, but what if anandtech limited the allowed email addresses to be the only ones that are provided by the ISPs?

Please compile a list of all ISPs on the planet. Thanks.

 

[hevnsnt]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
199.0.0.0/8
:evil:

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe
Why can't they just ban by account? I thought you couldn't sign up for anandtech with free email addy's. If everyone used their ISP email, school email, etc etc., would they still have to ban by IP?

Many people here have personal web hosting and the ability to make new email accounts at will. All you'd have to do is make a new address to get around it.

Yeah I understand that there are many ways to come up with more email addresses, but what if anandtech limited the allowed email addresses to be the only ones that are provided by the ISPs?

then i would be SOL, i don't have an email account from my ISP

 

[CrackaLackaZe]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe
Why can't they just ban by account? I thought you couldn't sign up for anandtech with free email addy's. If everyone used their ISP email, school email, etc etc., would they still have to ban by IP?

Many people here have personal web hosting and the ability to make new email accounts at will. All you'd have to do is make a new address to get around it.

Yeah I understand that there are many ways to come up with more email addresses, but what if anandtech limited the allowed email addresses to be the only ones that are provided by the ISPs?

Please compile a list of all ISPs on the planet. Thanks.

I don't think making a complete list of ISPs would be a good way to go about it. Just record all the major ones and deal with the smaller ones as the new members start claiming to use them. How hard is it to tell whether or not an ISP is real or not?

 

[Kyteland]

Most of the time there is no reason for the Mods to ban an IP. If there is someone causing trouble from an IP range they email the abuse department for that ISP. In your example it is much more likely that the person posting from the AFB will get reprimanded for their network abuse. The same thing goes for most other networks. The Mods provide proof and the ISP deals with the problem person.

AOL is banned because they refused to do anything about the problem users using their sevices, even when the Mods came to them with proof. As a result nobody using an AOL IP is allowed to access AnandTech. I'm guessing if the Mods get a response ffrom Base Commander: Col. Suzanne M. Vautrinot along the line of "Then an anandtech guy walked by and tried to say something witty and ban me from life itself. HaHa lolzorz dork!" then that IP range is toast. If they get something like "The offending person has been sent to the firing squad" then all is good and there is no IP ban.

 

[FlyLice]

I don't think Crack understands what sarcasm is.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe
Why can't they just ban by account? I thought you couldn't sign up for anandtech with free email addy's. If everyone used their ISP email, school email, etc etc., would they still have to ban by IP?

Many people here have personal web hosting and the ability to make new email accounts at will. All you'd have to do is make a new address to get around it.

Yeah I understand that there are many ways to come up with more email addresses, but what if anandtech limited the allowed email addresses to be the only ones that are provided by the ISPs?

Please compile a list of all ISPs on the planet. Thanks.

I don't think making a complete list of ISPs would be a good way to go about it. Just record all the major ones and deal with the smaller ones as the new members start claiming to use them. How hard is it to tell whether or not an ISP is real or not?

Not a good solution. I can make a page that looks like an ISP's page pretty easily. Tracking the IPs down doesn't always work.

I think the solution that is in place is pretty good. If you use a crappy ISP and get hit by the banned range, complain to the ISP.

 

[FlyLice]

Originally posted by: Kyteland
Most of the time there is no reason for the Mods to ban an IP. If there is someone causing trouble from an IP range they email the abuse department for that ISP. In your example it is much more likely that the person posting from the AFB will get reprimanded for their network abuse. The same thing goes for most other networks. The Mods provide proof and the ISP deals with the problem person.

AOL is banned because they refused to do anything about the problem users using their sevices, even when the Mods came to them with proof. As a result nobody using an AOL IP is allowed to access AnandTech. I'm guessing if the Mods get a response ffrom Base Commander: Col. Suzanne M. Vautrinot along the line of "Then an anandtech guy walked by and tried to say something witty and ban me from life itself. HaHa lolzorz dork!" then that IP range is toast. If they get something like "The offending person has been sent to the firing squad" then all is good and there is no IP ban.

From "Base Commander" you are incoherent.

 

[CrackaLackaZe]

the recourse of a weak mind? I know what sarcasm is, but n0cmonkey was still implying that it would be too much work to get all the existing ISPs.