Originally posted by: bwanaaa
Originally posted by: irishScott
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but define "We". The world is not on the same playing field. 1st world countries are far more civilized and advanced than 3rd world countries.
i object to your archaic nationalistic concept of the world into 1st, 2nd and 3rd tiers. There are 'third world' parts of our own nation where life has little value. Are you old enough to remember the combat zone in Boston, downtown newark or parts of miami? The incidence of HIV in the Newark hospitals is on a par with that of parts of Africa. I might agree if you tried to say that barbarism can be suppressed by wealth and income, but to ascribe evil to certain parts of the world is to ignore the potential for good and evil that is in all people.
HTF do you or anyone know what "any other living thing" in our universe would be remotely like? We can speculate on the near infinite possibilities
I do not know. But if you have any education in physics, you would know that educated guesses begin with what we know. Have you ever heard of the words 'null hypothesis'? That begins with a premise that you try to disprove. Wild speculation does not lend itself to education nor does it give a direction for research.
Besides, logic does not dictate everything. Lets say there was an alien race who relied entirely on highly developed instinct. Not logic. Logic and intelligence were never developed, yet it could function on the same level as a human. How do you explain it's behavior oh Omnipotent bwanaaa? You can't? Now is that because it's impossible, or because we simply don't know how it's done yet?
I tend to go by: Nothing is impossible, therefore the possibilities for anything are limitless, therefore the accuracy of speculation decreases exponentially with respect to the scale of the issue. The only way to know for sure is to gain knowledge, and not pull ignorant logical shit out of our asses for explanations.
Omnipotent. I like that. Are you referring to my 'phallacy' comment above. Truthfully, it's kind of sad that I cannot find a woman who likes sex as much as I do. But seriously, your statement is that logic does not dicktate everything. Could you elaborate. Flesh that out for me-how would highly developed instinct work? Are you referring to a beehive? Do you mean logic in the narrow sense of boolean operators or a broad sense of causality as defined by deduction and induction? Anyway, I dont think I ever talked about logic, or even approached defining intelligence.
I am sticking to my question, what is seti looking for? Yes thank you silverpig for that discourse on flipping hydrogen. Yes I read about the water hole and why we look where we do (as well as the other me-too projects looking at other freqs) But what are we looking for?
A beacon of a constant tone? How long is 'constant'?
A sinusoid? What freq modulation withing the waterhole?
any pattern different than random? What's the 'word length'?
I cannot seem to find that out.