How does same-sex marriage affect religious freedom?

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Brackis

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Enough of this states rights BS.
If it isn't in the constitution and it falls within the rights of all people to pursue happiness and personal freedom at no expense to others, it should be left to no one but the individual.

My edit: Inalienable rights ...please use a dictionary if you need help with this.
 
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luv2chill

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Originally posted by: Brackis
Enough of this states rights BS.
If it isn't in the constitution and it falls within the rights of all people to pursue happiness and personal freedom at no expense to others, it should be left to no one but the individual.
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Baby steps... baby steps :)

We can't turn into the Netherlands overnight...

Maybe if the Libertarians can manage to infiltrate our government... but not likely to happen anytime soon.

I've concluded that people want to be governed... they want someone to tell them what to do and what not to do. If not the government than the newsmedia or their peers.

I'm afraid the ideal of "rugged individualism" is losing ground here.

l2c

 
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Originally posted by: Megatomic
Originally posted by: Stefan
There are many different christian religions. The christian religions that are not catholic are protestant.
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And as a christian I don't see how allowing gay marriage affects my religious freedom. It won't affect my salvation in any way, though it won't do anything to help assure the salvation of gay couples either.

IMHO it's all about economics.
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That's true. But I don't think this is ONLY a Christian thing like portrait by the media though. Anyone that view marriage as a sacred thing (doesn't necessarily from religious point of view only) might fear that allowing gay marriage is a further "corruption" to marriage. If you think about it, a few decades ago ppl will think long and hard before getting into marriage with someone. But now, you get drunk, get married and later get annulled etc. I think a lot of people are afraid what will happen next when marriage get further "corrupted".

That's just my 2 cents, please don't flame me.
 
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Brackis

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Originally posted by: Megatomic
Originally posted by: Brackis
Enough of this states rights BS.
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Read the constitution much? Or books on the founding fathers?
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Yes, read the rest of my post, it relates directly to what was written by our founding fathers. Don't partially quote me and spin my opinions for your own gain.
 
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Brackis

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Originally posted by: Megatomic
You edited your post after I quoted you.
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I put in INALIENABLE RIGHTS...nothing else...to make it clear to numbskulls like you what the right to life, liberty and happiness are so that you will refrain from butchering my comments with your ignorance.

Happy?
 
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No. :)

I just don't understand why people get so hostile ON A FORUM!!! Look, I already stated that I don't oppose same sex marriage, well I alluded that I did not. What else do you want?
 
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Brackis

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Originally posted by: Megatomic
No. :)

I just don't understand why people get so hostile ON A FORUM!!! Look, I already stated that I don't oppose same sex marriage, well I alluded that I did not. What else do you want?
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I am not hostile based on a disparity in beliefs, but when common courtesy is breached by misquoting.
 
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I didn't misquote, I partially quoted. And IMO I didn't take your post out of context. I replied to the portion of your statement that interested me. That is all. Anything else you thought I was doing was purely fabricated by your mind.
 
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Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Megatomic
You edited your post after I quoted you.
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I put in INALIENABLE RIGHTS...nothing else...to make it clear to numbskulls like you what the right to life, liberty and happiness are so that you will refrain from butchering my comments with your ignorance.

Happy?
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Why are you so angry and defensive? When you call people numbskulls and ignorant no one is going to care what your point is.
 
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Brackis

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I was not angry at anyone other than Megatomic, thus my orginal post is not tainted in a way that jeapordizes the message I was trying to convey. Let's carry on with the topic
 
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Ronstang

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Originally posted by: Brackis
Enough of this states rights BS.
If it isn't in the constitution and it falls within the rights of all people to pursue happiness and personal freedom at no expense to others, it should be left to no one but the individual.

My edit: Inalienable rights ...please use a dictionary if you need help with this.
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And you just made the big mistake trying to argue that marriage is a right....it is NOT. A right is something conveyed upon someone for simply "being" or existing and marriage does not fall under the category of a right. Marriage is a privelege that whether it was set forth by the Church or a government entity requires that the people seeking it must meet certain requirements to obtain. Gays are not being denied their "rights" by not being allowed to marry they are merely being denied a privelege to which they do not meet the current requirements to participate. Change the laws and gays can marry, ban it through vote or legislation and they cannot marry. It is that simple. This is an issue that definitely falls under the control of the "will of the people" so either accept that or be angry because an overwhelming majority of people are against gay marriage. Time may change this and if that is the case then so be it. Protesting and arguing this point only galvanizes the issue in the minds of people you are trying to change and thus the backlash becomes more severe as can be seen by the results of the election a few months ago in which states actually voted to BAN gay marriage.



 
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SynthDude2001

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I guess we are overdue for another of these flame wars.

My view though is that I have yet to hear a single argument against same-sex marriage that makes any sense...
 
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shuan24

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I guess we are overdue for another of these flame wars.

My view though is that I have yet to hear a single argument against same-sex marriage that makes any sense...
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because none exists.
 
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SynthDude2001

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Originally posted by: shuan24
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I guess we are overdue for another of these flame wars.

My view though is that I have yet to hear a single argument against same-sex marriage that makes any sense...
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because none exists.
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That's basically what I was getting at. I just don't feel like having others flame me for it.
 
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shuan24

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they will flame you because that is how they inherently think and feel. They've been brainwashed since birth, and no amount of logic will persuade them. They choose their hatred over logic, and unfortunately hatred will prevail.

I too have given up on this battle, this is one flame war I (we) can't win.
 
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
But it's ok for the Majority to shove their beliefs down the throats of the Minority?
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Funny, but isn't that kinda the definition of democracy? Majority gets it's way, minority gets it's say?
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It didn't work that way in the 2000 Presidential Elelction!
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Touché! But you obviously get my point.

Anyways, yes, back to the topic. I think at first I was against the idea of gay marriage, and though that marriage was the exclusive domain of religion. But it's not, and even if it were, because of freedom of religion you could just create your own that allows it.

I mean most people at least agree with "civil unions" (IIRC it's 1/3 against gay anything, 1/3 for civil unions, and 1/3 for gay marriage) which are the legal equal to marriage, just a different term . Why the different term? It's not like religious leaders are forced to do the ceremonies.

Basically any other argument is just homophobic in nature. Some of the threads here have changed my opinion from thinking civil unions are OK, to thinking gay marriage is. Civil unions are a bad way to approach this. It's a second class marriage license.

There is no was same-sex marriages affect religious freedom unless a religious person was forced to do the ceremony.
 
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