How does Diablo 3 gamplay compare to Torchlight 2 ??

[Dannar26]

Do you like Diablo 2? Then you will love Torchlight 2. It feels and sounds very similar to D2. Just needs darker graphics and it would truly be D3.

I got D3 for free from my WoW subscription. I wouldn't spend money on it. Here are the things you'd need to be into in order to get into D3:

- D*ck measuring contests to see whose toon is bigger. This what previous posters mean by the items having "value."

- Auction house whoring. Without it, you wont have money. Without money you wont have gear equal to your level (you only find crap that's behind). Without gear, certain difficulty levels are undoable.

- No RPG character building. Blizzard knows that you could potentially not build the most efficient character ever. So they have made everyone the same, because freedom sucks. Oh but you can choose the pew pew. You have them all because who wants to have to decide which to choose and level?

Obviously I have some bias. I love TL2. D3 let me down.

It's like david and goliath here. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[Grooveriding]

TL2 is made by two of the key people who made Diablo 2. Diablo 3 is made by none of the people who made Diablo 2. That really says it all.

I wouldn't call Diablo 3 the worst release of 2012, but considering it was supposed to be the follow up to Diablo 2, it's definitely one of the worst game releases for me ever. Diablo 3 is utter trash.

TL2 is pretty good and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It won't hold you like Diablo 2 did if you enjoyed the online aspect of D2. D2's online closed system was really great, also the dark gothic world of D2 lent a lot to it, which TL2 doesn't have. If I had to choose, it would be easy though, TL2. Wish I could get back my money and punch the developers of D3 in the face.

 

[Borealis7]

pfft! screw both, play Borderlands.

 

[blastingcap]

Vote with your wallet. Just say no to the auction house and always-on DRM b.s. If you buy it, they will think you like it. The only solution, the ONLY SOLUTION is to not buy it. Big corporations only see dollars and cents; so vote with your dollars and cents. Spend your money elsewhere. I hear that there are plenty of worthwhile projects on Kickstarter or World of Mass Development. I have not bought anything Blizzard since last century, back when Blizzard was good and not a brainless, talentless shell of a cow for Activision's milking pleasure.

 

[darkewaffle]

Is this thread a vortex to four months ago or something?

As top-down lootRPGs they're fairly similar by default really. TL2 is a bit more chaotic and spammy (D2ish) where D3 eschews this slightly by giving you a broader range of readily available abilities and opting for somewhat more cerebral (using that word lightly) gameplay.

 

[Dumac]

The auction house is not bad at all. D2 is all about the gear grind and so's D3, the only difference is now it's easier to compare items so you absolutely have to have the best prefixes and best gear or your character's "bad". When I was lvling I had a lot of gear pieces that were "upgrades", even if the item level is 5 levels below your character it's possible to roll higher stats. Flavor of the month is definitely true, and the wow style "balancing" is rapidly putting this game off for me.

In comparison TL1 put me to sleep after lvl 20, and I can't judge TL2 with the little time I spent on it at a friend's place.

I disagree. I really don't like the AH. Before release, people said "oh big deal, you can ignore the AH!". However, this is false. The game is balanced around the AH. The AH is baked so deep into the game that there is no way to escape its influence.

Gear grind in D2 and D3 are nothing alike. In D2, you could actually find usable gear. There was an effective way to farm and find gear you could actually use. I found all my own gear in D2 and never had to resort to any outside transactions. Not to mention there was a much wider variety of gear, and you could actually find gear that would last you a long way through the game.

In D3, you basically almost always find trash loot that is useless at your level of the game. All upgrades come from the auction house. Doing late hell and then inferno is a giant PITA without using the auction house, as any weapon that is dropping has 1/4 the DPS of cheap weapons on the AH. D3 has basically turned into Auction House: The Game. Any D3 discussion I look into is mostly talking about the AH and the economy. How much x gear sells for, how much to x gear costs to buy. "Oh look at this neat unique? Ok, time to sell it so I can get some gear with higher numbers." This also permeates into online play; if you don't use the AH, you can't feasibly play online in pubs at all.

Vote with your wallet. Just say no to the auction house and always-on DRM b.s. If you buy it, they will think you like it. The only solution, the ONLY SOLUTION is to not buy it. Big corporations only see dollars and sense; so vote with your dollars and cents. Spend your money elsewhere. I hear that there are plenty of worthwhile projects on Kickstarter or World of Mass Development. I have not bought anything Blizzard since last century, back when Blizzard was good and not a brainless, talentless shell of a cow for Activision's milking pleasure.

Seeing that D3 was the best selling PC game ever, I don't think they got the message.

I liked the story and lore.

Of D3? I found D3's story very uninspired, and the execution/presentation of it appalling. The dialog is so badly written and acted, while the villains are of the idiotic James-Bond-style sort. The worst part of it all is being forced to relive this train-wreck over and over, as they made the story the centerpiece of the game.

 

[PowerYoga]

I disagree. I really don't like the AH. Before release, people said "oh big deal, you can ignore the AH!". However, this is false. The game is balanced around the AH. The AH is baked so deep into the game that there is no way to escape its influence.

I'd agree to some degree, but the game has progressively gotten easier and easier which makes inferno easier to access for most people. And I've ignored the AH for most of the part until I hit diablo in Hell, but Hell and inferno act 1 is completely doable with just shit you find off the ground. Even then you can find enough good stuff in act 1 to eventually gear up for act 2, then 3, etc. Being able to sell and trade loot easier just makes this process faster.

While some balancing may be happening around top gear and broken builds, I've found most ability balances generally has absolutely nothing to do gear and more to do the team wanting you to do more stuff with underused abilities, or flavor of the month tuning. Like buffing ray of frost on wizard or slow time. Most "nerfs" won't bother most casual players either, so that point is moot except to the hardcore grinders.

Gear grind in D2 and D3 are nothing alike. In D2, you could actually find usable gear. There was an effective way to farm and find gear you could actually use. I found all my own gear in D2 and never had to resort to any outside transactions. Not to mention there was a much wider variety of gear, and you could actually find gear that would last you a long way through the game.

In D3, you basically almost always find trash loot that is useless at your level of the game. All upgrades come from the auction house. Doing late hell and then inferno is a giant PITA without using the auction house, as any weapon that is dropping has 1/4 the DPS of cheap weapons on the AH. D3 has basically turned into Auction House: The Game. Any D3 discussion I look into is mostly talking about the AH and the economy. How much x gear sells for, how much to x gear costs to buy. "Oh look at this neat unique? Ok, time to sell it so I can get some gear with higher numbers." This also permeates into online play; if you don't use the AH, you can't feasibly play online in pubs at all.

Completely false. D2 you only found "upgrades" because there was no good way to compare gear so you're running gear you didn't know was considered "crap" and you can STILL use random crap to finish nightmare or hell or whatever. But D3 inferno is in general much harder than D2's, hence the tuning to make it more accessible.

Also, I've found plenty of good upgrades and legendaries that I use or trade to other people via the AH, which I use to buy other things I can then use. The auction is just an evolution of the barter boards, nothing more. Remember what you had to do to get those 20 SOJs to trade for the windforce and then tell me how that is better than an auction house, I can guarantee you it's shit loads easier to find something you want and feel like you're progressing in D3.

The general approach of D3 to inferno is drastically different from D2's approach, and every act is more or less a gear check and the two metagames are only similar in playstyle. If anything, I find D3's end game to be similar to wow's, which is both good and bad in concept but that's a different discussion.

TLDR: AH is fine, don't use it if you don't want to and farm like a hermit.

 

[Dumac]

I'd agree to some degree, but the game has progressively gotten easier and easier which makes inferno easier to access for most people. And I've ignored the AH for most of the part until I hit diablo in Hell, but Hell and inferno act 1 is completely doable with just shit you find off the ground. Even then you can find enough good stuff in act 1 to eventually gear up for act 2, then 3, etc. Being able to sell and trade loot easier just makes this process faster.

No, it isn't doable with just shit you find off the ground. I could buy weps with 4x the DPS of anything I've found off the ground. I have to whack a skeleton forever and die in a few hits. More than half my gear is below level 45. Nothing useful has dropped for a long time. My weapon is a 2h with 270 dps, while I could have bought a 1kdps 2h forever ago for chump change. I haven't found any legendaries or set items, and neither has my playing partner. I've talked to others who don't use the AH, and they hit similar walls. A few have made it through but it took ridiculous hours of farming and still their gear isn't that great.

While some balancing may be happening around top gear and broken builds, I've found most ability balances generally has absolutely nothing to do gear and more to do the team wanting you to do more stuff with underused abilities, or flavor of the month tuning. Like buffing ray of frost on wizard or slow time. Most "nerfs" won't bother most casual players either, so that point is moot except to the hardcore grinders.

They balance the whole DH class around the basis of having Nats! Not to meniton that, but they set the gear drop rate with the AH in mind. You are supposed to buy your gear, not find it yourself. I found a bunch of complete sets in D2 by myself. In D3, that's practically impossible.

Completely false. D2 you only found "upgrades" because there was no good way to compare gear so you're running gear you didn't know was considered "crap" and you can STILL use random crap to finish nightmare or hell or whatever. But D3 inferno is in general much harder than D2's, hence the tuning to make it more accessible.

What do you mean, "upgrades". If they are better than your current gear, they are an "upgrade". Plus, the community together knew what gear was good or bad, and unqiues were common standards to compare things to. Even better than that, you know what a good indicator of how good your gear is? Your ability to actually kill things! Being able to complete Hell difficulty easily with your gear is a pretty good marker that you are set.

Also, I've found plenty of good upgrades and legendaries that I use or trade to other people via the AH, which I use to buy other things I can then use. The auction is just an evolution of the barter boards, nothing more. Remember what you had to do to get those 20 SOJs to trade for the windforce and then tell me how that is better than an auction house, I can guarantee you it's shit loads easier to find something you want and feel like you're progressing in D3.

If you find upgrades, you are a lucky minority. Again, I found my own gear in D2. This isn't feasible in D3. See below:

The problem with the game is that the only way to advance past hell difficulty is to buy your equipment off the AH. We had a 4 person party with over 1000 combined hours of play and we had only seen 3 legendary drops, and none was worth wearing.
Even though we had decided we were going to play though with out buying anything on AH, there came a point where I had no choice. My level 60 wizard was still wearing several pieces of level 27-30 gear. Between all of us we had not seen a single pair of gloves worth a wizard wearing. Each character has several pieces of equipment like that.
Overall grinding for gold to buy stuff on AH just does not hold my attention.​

The general approach of D3 to inferno is drastically different from D2's approach, and every act is more or less a gear check and the two metagames are only similar in playstyle. If anything, I find D3's end game to be similar to wow's, which is both good and bad in concept but that's a different discussion.

And that is the basis of my dislike for the game. It is a gear check, and the only feasible way to get past that gear check is to use the AH.

TLDR: AH is fine, don't use it if you don't want to and farm like a hermit.

No, there is no real option to not use it. The only option is to not play the game, which I (and many others) have chosen.

The whole FUN PART of Diablo games was the loot pinata, and finding awesome, interesting loot yourself. Scolling through 10 pages and just buying crap from an AH isn't fun. That's just a chore. Most of the discussion I see from players still playing is about the AH.

So again, Auction House: The Game is extremely disappointing.

 

[PowerYoga]

No, it isn't doable with just shit you find off the ground. I could buy weps with 4x the DPS of anything I've found off the ground. I have to whack a skeleton forever and die in a few hits. More than half my gear is below level 45. Nothing useful has dropped for a long time. My weapon is a 2h with 270 dps, while I could have bought a 1kdps 2h forever ago for chump change. I haven't found any legendaries or set items, and neither has my playing partner. I've talked to others who don't use the AH, and they hit similar walls. A few have made it through but it took ridiculous hours of farming and still their gear isn't that great.

Of course you can buy shit that's 4x the dps of what you have. I don't bitch about a buriza being 500 times better than my shitty bow and I can't trade for it because I don't have enough SOJs, why are you bitching about the exact same thing except for it being in an auction house? PS: You can find lvl 61 weapons with 700-800 dps in hell if you farm the right places.

It's easier to buy stuff but I certainly have found my share of 700 dps 1 handers and 1k dps weapons that I've trashed because nobody buys them. Hell, I've found a bunch of 500 dps weapons in Hell and that should be enough for you to kill Diablo. And ever since they changed it so lvl 61 loot can roll high, farming in hell's been easier than ever. You haven't been playing since 1.02 or something? Inferno back then was really hard, yeah.

They balance the whole DH class around the basis of having Nats! Not to meniton that, but they set the gear drop rate with the AH in mind. You are supposed to buy your gear, not find it yourself. I found a bunch of complete sets in D2 by myself. In D3, that's practically impossible.

Do you even play a DH? Demon hunter is NOT balanced around legacy nats, even if many whiners think so. In fact, having legacy Nats is a goal for most demon hunters because that's what makes their class OP. Not to mention DH is perfectly viable without legacy nats, nats just makes DH op to a certain extent with near unlimited Disc regen.

As a note: I've never found any full sets in diablo 2 or legendaries worth trading, the drop rates are certainly better than D3 but most of the sets are pretty useless. I'll agree with the drop rates though, but they're getting doubled the next patch so I'll wait and see.

What do you mean, "upgrades". If they are better than your current gear, they are an "upgrade". Plus, the community together knew what gear was good or bad, and unqiues were common standards to compare things to. Even better than that, you know what a good indicator of how good your gear is? Your ability to actually kill things! Being able to complete Hell difficulty easily with your gear is a pretty good marker that you are set.

My point exactly. I found a legendary belt the other day, it's better, I slap it on my waist. You find a better weapon, you can kill better. Same in d2, same in torchlight. I completed hell with only ONE item bought off the auction house, I could've easily traded for something similar in D2. What's the problem again?

If you find upgrades, you are a lucky minority. Again, I found my own gear in D2. This isn't feasible in D3. See below:

The problem with the game is that the only way to advance past hell difficulty is to buy your equipment off the AH. We had a 4 person party with over 1000 combined hours of play and we had only seen 3 legendary drops, and none was worth wearing.
Even though we had decided we were going to play though with out buying anything on AH, there came a point where I had no choice. My level 60 wizard was still wearing several pieces of level 27-30 gear. Between all of us we had not seen a single pair of gloves worth a wizard wearing. Each character has several pieces of equipment like that.
Overall grinding for gold to buy stuff on AH just does not hold my attention.​

That's just plain wrong as you can get full 5 NV stacks in Hell, which means you can farm until you're good and ready to hit inferno act 1. Actually, this was the recommended approach for hardcore players so they can gear up for diablo encounter and inferno act 1 because the hardcore AH is super expensive. So I'm pulling the "don't know what the fuck you're doing" card on the larry, curly and moe farming party there.

And that is the basis of my dislike for the game. It is a gear check, and the only feasible way to get past that gear check is to use the AH.

I'll agree with the gear check, I don't like it but I don't hate it and I've come to accept that it's just "different" from d2.

Say what you will, but I've had shitty luck with drops (finally broke 1 million in gold just a few weeks ago) and even then I still managed to got to farming act 3. Now me and my friend farm on a nightly basis, sometimes we find stuff to sell (aka trade in a barter channel in D2) or we don't, but both of us are steadily gearing up now that we can farm better and have more MF. He finds about a legendary a week, I find about one good rare a week.

Sorry you have bad luck and hate auction houses though! Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

 

[Clinkster]

If you want to play a game closest to Diablo 2, play Torchlight 2.

Otherwise, play Torchlight 2.

 

[-Slacker-]

If you want to play a game closest to Diablo 2, play Torchlight 2.

No kidding. Even the story feels like an uncanny, step-by-step imitation of that of D2's. And the less I say about the music, the better Yeah, I know that it's from the same developers and composers.

Come to think of it, Torchlight 1's story was was the same by comparison to D1.

The whole franchise feels like it wants to be a clone of diablo but, at least narrative wise, it keeps missing the point. It's not at all scary or psychologically unsettling, and the cartoony art style does nothing to help with that, either.

 

[Jeffg010]

No, it isn't doable with just shit you find off the ground. I could buy weps with 4x the DPS of anything I've found off the ground. I have to whack a skeleton forever and die in a few hits. More than half my gear is below level 45. Nothing useful has dropped for a long time. My weapon is a 2h with 270 dps, while I could have bought a 1kdps 2h forever ago for chump change. I haven't found any legendaries or set items, and neither has my playing partner. I've talked to others who don't use the AH, and they hit similar walls. A few have made it through but it took ridiculous hours of farming and still their gear isn't that great.



They balance the whole DH class around the basis of having Nats! Not to meniton that, but they set the gear drop rate with the AH in mind. You are supposed to buy your gear, not find it yourself. I found a bunch of complete sets in D2 by myself. In D3, that's practically impossible.



What do you mean, "upgrades". If they are better than your current gear, they are an "upgrade". Plus, the community together knew what gear was good or bad, and unqiues were common standards to compare things to. Even better than that, you know what a good indicator of how good your gear is? Your ability to actually kill things! Being able to complete Hell difficulty easily with your gear is a pretty good marker that you are set.



If you find upgrades, you are a lucky minority. Again, I found my own gear in D2. This isn't feasible in D3. See below:

The problem with the game is that the only way to advance past hell difficulty is to buy your equipment off the AH. We had a 4 person party with over 1000 combined hours of play and we had only seen 3 legendary drops, and none was worth wearing.
Even though we had decided we were going to play though with out buying anything on AH, there came a point where I had no choice. My level 60 wizard was still wearing several pieces of level 27-30 gear. Between all of us we had not seen a single pair of gloves worth a wizard wearing. Each character has several pieces of equipment like that.
Overall grinding for gold to buy stuff on AH just does not hold my attention.​

And that is the basis of my dislike for the game. It is a gear check, and the only feasible way to get past that gear check is to use the AH.



No, there is no real option to not use it. The only option is to not play the game, which I (and many others) have chosen.

The whole FUN PART of Diablo games was the loot pinata, and finding awesome, interesting loot yourself. Scolling through 10 pages and just buying crap from an AH isn't fun. That's just a chore. Most of the discussion I see from players still playing is about the AH.

So again, Auction House: The Game is extremely disappointing.

Dumac is 100% correct. Anyone who claims to have beat Inferno with drops only and not the AH is 100% BS lie. The more you play the end game of D3 the the worst it got. I estimated it would take 100 hours to get one good drop and even that was no guarantee. The whole point of these types of games is to get drops to reward your character. D3 end game was not rewarding you.

 

[EDUSAN]

i had a DH, finished inferno when 1.04 was released. I found a couple legendary items, which were bad...i would say 5 more or less.

my DH was able to finish inferno and it didnt have any Nats. i used the AH, mostly for my weapon, but as i was never able to make much gold selling stuff most of the things i bought were in the 1-5 mill gold price.

The interesting things i found went to the RMAH, made 50 bucks selling stuff there

when i finished inferno in 1.04 i stopped playing. I think im paragon lvl 5 or something

anyway.... i already gave my objective comparison between TL2 and D3
d3 is a great game? yeah.... ITS THE HOLY FUCK GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIMES? no...
did i pay 60 bucks for it? yes... did i enjoyed it until finishing it? yes and no. Game is fine, endless runs are not
how much time did i play? i think that mroe or less 300hs, so i guess its ok

 

[Face2Face]

i had a DH, finished inferno when 1.04 was released. I found a couple legendary items, which were bad...i would say 5 more or less.

my DH was able to finish inferno and it didnt have any Nats. i used the AH, mostly for my weapon, but as i was never able to make much gold selling stuff most of the things i bought were in the 1-5 mill gold price.

The interesting things i found went to the RMAH, made 50 bucks selling stuff there

when i finished inferno in 1.04 i stopped playing. I think im paragon lvl 5 or something

anyway.... i already gave my objective comparison between TL2 and D3
d3 is a great game? yeah.... ITS THE HOLY FUCK GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIMES? no...
did i pay 60 bucks for it? yes... did i enjoyed it until finishing it? yes and no. Game is fine, endless runs are not
how much time did i play? i think that mroe or less 300hs, so i guess its ok

300Hours... Yes sir good way to spend $60 for entertainment.

I love the Diablo lore. I played and beat the game on normal and never played it again... I may go back to it when Skyrim gets boring....

 

[slag]

I picked up D3 for $11 and I'm still on the fence whether I should install and play it, or just give it away for a Christmas gift. I like Torchlight 2, but would not be one to use the AH feature in D3 as the only reason I got the game was because it was cheap and paying more money for items goes against what I think the game should be about.

 

[PowerYoga]

I estimated it would take 100 hours to get one good drop and even that was no guarantee.

lol guaranteed epic loot.

 

[bbhaag]

So I played Diablo 2 way back when and was awaiting the 3rd but have yet to buy it due to all the bad press. I've played through Torchlight 1 and am in the 3rd act of Torchlight 2 and am impressed so far. How do the two compare, are they similar or totally different. I will probably buy Diablo 3 either way when it gets to the $20-$30 range but I'm just curious.

Why not just download the D3 demo and try it out for yourself? Sure it's only Act 1 but it gives you a pretty good sense of what the rest of the game will be like. After I tried the demo I uninstalled it and will not be buying D3. Atleast not for $60.