How does an illegal immigrant give birth?

[Braves]

Now the question isn't as literal as it sounds - I know immigrants give birth just like everyone else, but I'm doing a reserach project on immigration in America and this question came up. Obviously they wouldn't be able to goto a hospitol because they would probably then be deported - but would their child be considered an American citizen since hence, the child WAS born in America. Can anyone give me any information on this topic, i'd really appreciate it. Thanks

 

[Lucky]

Obviously they wouldn't be able to goto a hospitol because they would probably then be deported - but would their child be considered an American citizen since hence, the child WAS born in America

Sure they can goto hospitals. Isnt CA one of the states that publically pays for this kinda stuff? (please correct me if Im wrong!)

 

[UltraQuiet]

Now the question isn't as literal as it sounds - I know immigrants give birth just like everyone else, but I'm doing a reserach project on immigration in America and this question came up. Obviously they wouldn't be able to goto a hospitol because they would probably then be deported - but would their child be considered an American citizen since hence, the child WAS born in America. Can anyone give me any information on this topic, i'd really appreciate it. Thanks

Very few, if any, hospitals are going to refuse to help a woman in labor. Once a child is born here and automatically becomes a citizen, obviously the baby can't be deported and the INS is sometimes hesitant to deport the rest of the family because they don't want to break up the family.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Any child born on American soil is an American citizen. I'm not sure what they would do with the parent, but they definitely wouldn't deport the child.

 

[justint]

Thier are two basic theories of citizenship used by nations around the world.

The first is that of jus soli or literally of the soil. In this theory being born on the territory of the nation makes you a citizen. The US follows this theory. Anyone who is born on US soil is a citizen no matter how thier parents got here or who they were.

In terms of the INS's policies towards these cases I can not give detailed information. However, I would imagine they would not deport the parents if that would mean forcing the child to leave too. The protection of the interests of US citizens should be paramount and inviolable.


The second theory jus sangre or of the blood controls citizenship based on who your parents were. Under this theory it does not neccessarily matter where you were born if your parents did not hold citizenship.

 

[Braves]

Yeah, I agree that a hospitol wont refuse a woman in labor, but afterwards the hospitol wouldn't just let her go if they knew she was an illegal immigrant, maybe not to be an A-Hole but if someone found out they would be in trouble with the government or something. Are any of these things confirmed? THx again for all the help

 

[Braves]

wow, just to inform you all, in case anyone is interested in this question. I just asked my mom, who immigrated with my father from Taiwan over 20 years ago. I never knew this but she just told me that she was an illegal immigrant when she gave birth to us. She came to the US to study, but didn't return after the 1 year deadline or whatever, and thus became an illegal immigrant. Then she promptly had 4 children in the next 8 years, and nothing happened to her. She said the hospitols wont report it because it's none of their business. Now of course she has her green card and is waiting for her citizenship papers. Thx for the help again

 

[BDawg]

Even though birth is more difficult for humans than most other mammals, you don't necessarily need to go to a hospital for delivery. Not saying I would recommend it, but unless there are complications it isn't that big of a deal.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Braves
wow, just to inform you all, in case anyone is interested in this question. I just asked my mom, who immigrated with my father from Taiwan over 20 years ago. I never knew this but she just told me that she was an illegal immigrant when she gave birth to us. She came to the US to study, but didn't return after the 1 year deadline or whatever, and thus became an illegal immigrant. Then she promptly had 4 children in the next 8 years, and nothing happened to her. She said the hospitols wont report it because it's none of their business. Now of course she has her green card and is waiting for her citizenship papers. Thx for the help again

man i wouldn't be posting that stuff, you never know

anyways, i think that is the story of a lot of asian immigrants (well, minus the 4 children part... in my experience it is usually two).

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: BDawg
Even though birth is more difficult for humans than most other mammals, you don't necessarily need to go to a hospital for delivery. Not saying I would recommend it, but unless there are complications it isn't that big of a deal.

yea, but if you want your child to get citizenship, i think hospital is best. otherwise there is no way of verifying place of birth.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: BDawg
Even though birth is more difficult for humans than most other mammals, you don't necessarily need to go to a hospital for delivery. Not saying I would recommend it, but unless there are complications it isn't that big of a deal.

yea, but if you want your child to get citizenship, i think hospital is best. otherwise there is no way of verifying place of birth.

Yep, you're probably right.

 

[etech]

Yes, they do go to hospitals to give birth. The US taxpayer than pays for the birth and the care of the child who is now a US citizen. Personally I think that law should be changed. The citizenship of the parents should determine citizenship of the child, not the location of birth.

Health Care for Undocumented Immigrants: Who Pays?

Canandian view


Communities forced to bear costs of enforcement
"Providing the services to poor people who need them is not the issue, the counties say. The problem is that they are raising taxes and cutting programs to their own residents to pay for the federal government's border policies without reimbursement.

``We shouldn't be faced with this problem,'' said County Judge Charles Mattox of El Paso, where property taxes were raised this year to offset illegal-immigration costs - an estimated $14 million last year. ``It's a U.S. problem to enforce our border, not a local responsibility.''
"

 

[Bozo Galora]

it costs the L.A. county taxpayer $8200 per illegal immigrant birth, partially reimbursed by State and Federal funds.
these woman when near birth are referred to a county hospital by various help agencies and arent even asked to pay. All births are considered full american citizens with all protections/benefits thereby.
all efforts by the legislature to cut off free birthing has met with failure.
Prop 187 which cut off illegal benefits was passed by 64% voters and was fought in courts by State and local politicians using taxpayer money and was overturned by Ca. Supreme Ct.

it is against the law for Ca. law enforcement to ask if person is legal immigrant. hospital workers have uniformly refused to report "suspected" illegals, saying its not their job. these births are uniformly considered "welfare" situations, they could care less where you are from.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: etech
Yes, they do go to hospitals to give birth. The US taxpayer than pays for the birth and the care of the child who is now a US citizen. Personally I think that law should be changed. The citizenship of the parents should determine citizenship of the child, not the location of birth.

Health Care for Undocumented Immigrants: Who Pays?

Canandian view


Communities forced to bear costs of enforcement
"Providing the services to poor people who need them is not the issue, the counties say. The problem is that they are raising taxes and cutting programs to their own residents to pay for the federal government's border policies without reimbursement.

``We shouldn't be faced with this problem,'' said County Judge Charles Mattox of El Paso, where property taxes were raised this year to offset illegal-immigration costs - an estimated $14 million last year. ``It's a U.S. problem to enforce our border, not a local responsibility.''
"

Even when it was the bears, I knew it was the immigants.

 

[Braves]

i have another question about immigration... what are some illegal means commonly used to obtain US Citizenship or obtain a Green Card, besides bribing a immigration officer. My dad mentioned to me that, while not illegal, marrying a US Citizen or someone else with a green card automatically entitles that person to citizenship/green card? Thx again for all the help guys

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

There is fraudulent marriage... be advised that this is far from "automatic."

 

[ObiDon]

Damn, I thought this was going to be a riddle! :Q

 

[her209]

I was born in the high mountains...

 

[HappyPuppy]

It is not the job of hospitals to ask about residency, nor is it their job to report illegals. Their job is to provide medical care. If it were any different illegals wouldn't seek medical care when they have problems, possibly leading to epidemics that would spread to the general population.

 

[Carbo]

There is fraudulent marriage... be advised that this is far from "automatic."

Oh, but I beg to differ. Here in Miami, that's Ground Zero in the world of illegal immigration, Green Card marriages are a well known and profitable business. It is done daily, INS knows it, and they are so overworked and understaffed, when these "marriages" come up before them at the mandatory hearing they are all but rubber stamped and approved. Let's face it, INS has much larger and important issues these days.
Real world example: I know a woman who came to Miami via Colombia on a six month tourist visa. She did what most every illegal here does. She simply overstayed her visa and blends in to the community. Well, lo and behold, much to the surprise of all her equally illegal friends and family members, she was busted at her place of employment. She spent an uncomfortable night at the INS detention center and was bailed out the next afternoon, bitching about what an awful place the US is, and how unfairly she was singled out.
To make a long story short, she "married" two weeks later. Her "husband" is a second year law student who, with the advice of an immigration attorney was guided through the maze of how to get around INS law. The illegal bitch paid the fledgling crooked lawyer a fee of $2000, (the low end of the going rate, by the way), and was married at Miami City Hall just two weeks after she was busted. At her recent hearing, judgement was passed in a matter of ten minutes: approved, welcome to America. Ain't love grand?
Oh, and guess what? Her mom is coming in two weeks. She, too, has a tourist visa has no plans on going back to her homeland.
Is there anyone who truly believes INS doesn't need a complete overhaul??

 

[breakit23]

Deporting of illegal immigrants is extremly rare. They practically never do it.

 

[Bozo Galora]

60 minutes, the TV show has run repeated segments on how easy it is to get Drivers license (with holographic image) birth cert. green card or visa, or passport. Just cruise alvarado street near McArthur Park in L.A. and look for guys who try to catch your eye by making a "C" sign with his hand, meaning "card". Have a small color picture of yourself ready and the info you want written down.
A Cal Dr Lic is $75-$100 (good for I.D., but not police checks)
Birth Cert. (properly aged) $25
Green Card $50

If you want a REAL CAL dr license, it will cost you $1000 - $1200 and they will give you 1/4" wide strips with the 5 test variation answers on them - to put up your sleeve. You will be taken to a "special" DMV employee and given a password. You will not have to take a driving test.