How does a dumbass C student get into Harvard Bus School??

[cy7878]

No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me?

 

[ForThePeople]

Originally posted by: cy7878
No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me?

Don't forget that University of Texas Law School didn't think he was up to snuff.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: cy7878
No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me?

Just because you are a dumbass and couldn't get into Harvard, don't be a hater.

 

[glenn1]

How does a dumbass C student get into Harvard Bus School??

Just replace the implied George Bush in the above sentence with an unnamed minority person being helped by affirmative action instead, and watch the hilarity ensue.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: cy7878
No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me?

By 1973 Bush had completed a five-year stint in the Texas National Guard, worked on his father's 1970 Texas campaign for U.S. senator, and worked full-time for ProjectPULL, an organization that worked with inner-city youth.

Couple that with a degree from Yale and he was accepted into Harvard B-School.

 

[dahunan]

In the fall of 1963, George W. Bush was a senior at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., facing the same dilemma confronting his 232 classmates: where to apply to college. He had never made the honor roll, and his verbal score on the SAT was a mediocre 566. Although popular among his classmates, he was neither an exceptional athlete nor did he possess any particularly outstanding extracurricular talents. Looking over his record, Andover's dean of students suggested that the young Mr. Bush consider applying to schools other than Yale, the alma mater of his father and grandfather.

But unbeknownst to the dean and Mr. Bush, Yale had quietly changed its admissions policy toward alumni sons during the very months when his application was under consideration. As the number of applicants to Yale increased, the administration decided that it could no longer afford to treat all legacy applicants equally. Instead, it would differentiate among alumni sons, giving extra preference on the basis of the family's contribution to Yale and its importance to American society.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09...nion/13karabel.html?th

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: glenn1

How does a dumbass C student get into Harvard Bus School??

Just replace the implied George Bush in the above sentence with an unnamed minority person being helped by affirmative action instead, and watch the hilarity ensue.

So you're implying the Dub was admitted to Harvard based on a varient affirmative action policy? Wherein he didn't earn a place at such a school through hard work and academic success, rather he was admitted because of his economic/cultural condition (being a rich blue-blood in a politically connected family).

Yeah, that makes sense. Good analogy.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: dahunan
In the fall of 1963, George W. Bush was a senior at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., facing the same dilemma confronting his 232 classmates: where to apply to college. He had never made the honor roll, and his verbal score on the SAT was a mediocre 566. Although popular among his classmates, he was neither an exceptional athlete nor did he possess any particularly outstanding extracurricular talents. Looking over his record, Andover's dean of students suggested that the young Mr. Bush consider applying to schools other than Yale, the alma mater of his father and grandfather.

But unbeknownst to the dean and Mr. Bush, Yale had quietly changed its admissions policy toward alumni sons during the very months when his application was under consideration. As the number of applicants to Yale increased, the administration decided that it could no longer afford to treat all legacy applicants equally. Instead, it would differentiate among alumni sons, giving extra preference on the basis of the family's contribution to Yale and its importance to American society.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09...nion/13karabel.html?th

566 isn't bad. I wonder that translates to now given that the SAT test has been watered down.

How is this relevant anyway? The guy's been governor of Texas and President of the US. We're supposed to care about how he did on a meaningless test when he was 17? Get a grip.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: cy7878
No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me?

That was a very deep and insightful post.

 

[glenn1]

So you're implying the Dub was admitted to Harvard based on a varient affirmative action policy? Wherein he didn't earn a place at such a school through hard work and academic success, rather he was admitted because of his economic/cultural condition (being a rich blue-blood in a politically connected family).

Yeah, that makes sense. Good analogy.

No, obviously I'm not implying Dub was admitted under an affirmative action policy, else you'd be defending it as such. What I meant I don't need to imply - if instead of talking about Bush you had said the exact same things in the OP about affirmative action, you'd be crucified as a racist. Yet since we're not talking about someone in the protected class the same rules don't apply. Imagine a conservative posted the following sentence but been referring to an african-american person:

How does a dumbass C student get into Harvard Bus School??

No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me

Do you think that might cause a stir on ATPN?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: glenn1

So you're implying the Dub was admitted to Harvard based on a varient affirmative action policy? Wherein he didn't earn a place at such a school through hard work and academic success, rather he was admitted because of his economic/cultural condition (being a rich blue-blood in a politically connected family).

Yeah, that makes sense. Good analogy.

No, obviously I'm not implying Dub was admitted under an affirmative action policy, else you'd be defending it as such. What I meant I don't need to imply - if instead of talking about Bush you had said the exact same things in the OP about affirmative action, you'd be crucified as a racist. Yet since we're not talking about someone in the protected class the same rules don't apply. Imagine a conservative posted the following sentence but been referring to an african-american person:

How does a dumbass C student get into Harvard Bus School??

No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me

Do you think that might cause a stir on ATPN?

Perhaps, but then again you're comparing apples to oranges. Obviously, Bush had every socio-economic advantage yet still was an average student and certainly didn't deserve a slot in such an esteemed institution. In short, it's difficult to feel sorry for someone like Bush.

I don't see why you can't differentiate the two.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: cy7878
No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me?

Are you trying to say, "It's not what you know, but who you know"?

It sure helped getting into the ANG in those days.

 

[ntdz]

at the time, Bush Sr. was only a congressman, not exactly a huge influencial position. I don't get why everyone thinks that just b/c you are a congressman you can get anything you want...

 

[glenn1]

Perhaps, but then again you're comparing apples to oranges. Obviously, Bush had every socio-economic advantage yet still was an average student and certainly didn't deserve a slot in such an esteemed institution. In short, it's difficult to feel sorry for someone like Bush.

I don't see why you can't differentiate the two.

Whether I think he deserved a slot at such an institution or not isn't really what I was touching on. I'm not qualified to judge that in the first place, much less support the reasons for my judgement on that subject to others. I just think that the OP could have been worded in a more civil fashion, as I pointed out if we were talking about a minority in the same context we'd agree that it would be offensive. I disagree frequently and often vehemently with Mr. Bush, and likewise do not feel at all "sorry" for him, but don't think he deserves gratuitous insults.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: cy7878
No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me?

going toyale helps

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ntdz
at the time, Bush Sr. was only a congressman, not exactly a huge influencial position. I don't get why everyone thinks that just b/c you are a congressman you can get anything you want...

Yeah, only one congressman per every million of the rest of us. Not much "clout" there. He might have been an ambassador by then also?? Doesn't really matter.

 

[b0mbrman]

More like 500,000...they're not that special...

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
566 isn't bad. I wonder that translates to now given that the SAT test has been watered down.

How is this relevant anyway? The guy's been governor of Texas and President of the US. We're supposed to care about how he did on a meaningless test when he was 17? Get a grip.

640. 566 isn't bad but it certainly isn't great. 500 is supposed to be average for a pre-adjustment SAT score.

from a web page:
"Then again, I recall having seen a college guide circa 1970 that listed the average SAT for Yale freshmen as about 670 in verbal".heresay

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: dahunan
In the fall of 1963, George W. Bush was a senior at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., facing the same dilemma confronting his 232 classmates: where to apply to college. He had never made the honor roll, and his verbal score on the SAT was a mediocre 566. Although popular among his classmates, he was neither an exceptional athlete nor did he possess any particularly outstanding extracurricular talents. Looking over his record, Andover's dean of students suggested that the young Mr. Bush consider applying to schools other than Yale, the alma mater of his father and grandfather.

But unbeknownst to the dean and Mr. Bush, Yale had quietly changed its admissions policy toward alumni sons during the very months when his application was under consideration. As the number of applicants to Yale increased, the administration decided that it could no longer afford to treat all legacy applicants equally. Instead, it would differentiate among alumni sons, giving extra preference on the basis of the family's contribution to Yale and its importance to American society.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09...nion/13karabel.html?th

566 isn't bad. I wonder that translates to now given that the SAT test has been watered down.

How is this relevant anyway? The guy's been governor of Texas and President of the US. We're supposed to care about how he did on a meaningless test when he was 17? Get a grip.

Do you need NEW GLASSES?

giving extra preference on the basis of the family's contribution to Yale and its importance to American society

How well did Texas AND the Texas Rangers do while George was commanding them

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: cy7878
No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me?

How did the Olsen twins get into NYU? This is not a very specific occurence for GWB; it happens to many famous people.

Obviously, Bush had every socio-economic advantage yet still was an average student and certainly didn't deserve a slot in such an esteemed institution. In short, it's difficult to feel sorry for someone like Bush.

The same can be said for a substantiall number of black/hispanic/other minority students and their poor SAT scores. Do they deserve a spot in the institution more than Bush does? At least admitting a celebrity brings money and fame to the school.

I think the people on this forum are just bitter they couldn't get into Yale.

In anycase, I am going to phrase glenn's question.

How do all these dumbass minorities get into Ivy League and other topnotch institutions?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Originally posted by: Riprorin
566 isn't bad. I wonder that translates to now given that the SAT test has been watered down.

How is this relevant anyway? The guy's been governor of Texas and President of the US. We're supposed to care about how he did on a meaningless test when he was 17? Get a grip.

640. 566 isn't bad but it certainly isn't great. 500 is supposed to be average for a pre-adjustment SAT score.

from a web page:
"Then again, I recall having seen a college guide circa 1970 that listed the average SAT for Yale freshmen as about 670 in verbal".heresay

a good math score can make up for a poor verbal.

 

[cy7878]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: cy7878
No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me?

How did the Olsen twins get into NYU? This is not a very specific occurence for GWB; it happens to many famous people.

Obviously, Bush had every socio-economic advantage yet still was an average student and certainly didn't deserve a slot in such an esteemed institution. In short, it's difficult to feel sorry for someone like Bush.

The same can be said for a substantiall number of black/hispanic/other minority students and their poor SAT scores. Do they deserve a spot in the institution more than Bush does? At least admitting a celebrity brings money and fame to the school.

I think the people on this forum are just bitter they couldn't get into Yale.

In anycase, I am going to phrase glenn's question.

How do all these dumbass minorities get into Ivy League and other topnotch institutions?

R U Kidding me??? How do you even compare NYU Undergrad that accepts THOUSANDS of people a year to Harvard Bus School that takes about 100 people?? NYU has more majors than Harvard Bus School has per class!!

You are a dumbass to think a minority worthy of Ivy Caliber education is less intellegent than its peers in the GRADUATE level.

 

[CWRMadcat]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: cy7878
No preferential treatment? R U Kidding me?

How did the Olsen twins get into NYU? This is not a very specific occurence for GWB; it happens to many famous people.

Obviously, Bush had every socio-economic advantage yet still was an average student and certainly didn't deserve a slot in such an esteemed institution. In short, it's difficult to feel sorry for someone like Bush.

The same can be said for a substantiall number of black/hispanic/other minority students and their poor SAT scores. Do they deserve a spot in the institution more than Bush does? At least admitting a celebrity brings money and fame to the school.

I think the people on this forum are just bitter they couldn't get into Yale.

In anycase, I am going to phrase glenn's question.

How do all these dumbass minorities get into Ivy League and other topnotch institutions?

They shouldn't, but I do hope that if these "dumbass minorities" haven't earned their way into a top notch University, you would also agree that our esteemed President didn't earn his way in either .

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Perhaps, but then again you're comparing apples to oranges. Obviously, Bush had every socio-economic advantage yet still was an average student and certainly didn't deserve a slot in such an esteemed institution. In short, it's difficult to feel sorry for someone like Bush.

I don't see why you can't differentiate the two.

Funny, I don't see him asking anyone to feel sorry for him, just some troll bringing up more irrelevant BS that happened 30+ years ago. Schooling is a tool to help you get where you want to be. Bill Gates didn't even finish college - he's doing pretty well for himself, last I checked. Einstein failed math classes. In retrospect, are these things important?

Obviously quite a few of you have been away from the college scene for way too long. Let me let you in on a little secret - unless you're well connected or a minority, you can't get in the Ivy League. I'm surprised to see that people thought this was so much different back in the day. Educational 'Affirmative Action' has totally destroyed any chance the white bread kid has of getting in a good school/program unless he's an absolute genius with off-the-charts credentials.

 

[CWRMadcat]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Perhaps, but then again you're comparing apples to oranges. Obviously, Bush had every socio-economic advantage yet still was an average student and certainly didn't deserve a slot in such an esteemed institution. In short, it's difficult to feel sorry for someone like Bush.

I don't see why you can't differentiate the two.

Funny, I don't see him asking anyone to feel sorry for him, just some troll bringing up more irrelevant BS that happened 30+ years ago. Schooling is a tool to help you get where you want to be. Bill Gates didn't even finish college - he's doing pretty well for himself, last I checked. Einstein failed math classes. In retrospect, are these things important?

Obviously quite a few of you have been away from the college scene for way too long. Let me let you in on a little secret - unless you're well connected or a minority, you can't get in the Ivy League. I'm surprised to see that people thought this was so much different back in the day. Educational 'Affirmative Action' has totally destroyed any chance the white bread kid has of getting in a good school/program unless he's an absolute genius with off-the-charts credentials.

Sorry, but I'm Asian, and I certainly don't feel I benefited from AA at all.