How do you think the universe came about?

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Colonel C

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I'll start off my idea;

A singularity is when a star collapes and a blackhole is created. Everything is sucked into that blackhole, matter, light, time, even space itself. Its unknown whether or not anything can come back out of a blackhole, but scientists speculate that it can't. An easy way to put a singularity is 'everything into nothing'.

Now what happens when you reverse that process? 'Nothing into everything'. Basiclly, thats the reverse of a singularity, where time, matter, space and everything comes back out.

But what caused this 'big bang'?
Nobody really knows yet, we can only speculate to how the universe was formed. The best I can say is that the fundamental field in nature is the gravitational field, and out of this and its weird quantum properties, the stage was somehow set for everything else we can identify in the physical world including time and space. We do not, however, understand what the gravitational field 'is' in any real fundamental way. We know how it operates but that is not exactly the same as understanding its actual nature. Physicists who are investigating String Theory are trying to understand what gravity is, but we will have to wait for them to give us some concrete predictions we can go out and test to confirm if their ideas are on the mark or not.
 
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conjur

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A sort of constant Big Bang/Big Collapse process.

But, what brought all of the matter into existence in the universe? Beats the hell out of me.
 
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Colonel C

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Originally posted by: conjur
A sort of constant Big Bang/Big Collapse process.

But, what brought all of the matter into existence in the universe? Beats the hell out of me.
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Actually, the correct term is 'big crunch'. But yes your right. There almost definitly were other universes before the one we can identify as our own today. Unless of course the multiverse theory is true. Even still, where and how the first universe formed is a mystery.
 
cKGunslinger

cKGunslinger

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Don't you need some more choices? What about the Bouncing Universe, the Hawking-Turok Instanton Theory, the Protouniverse, Andre Linde's Self-Creating Universe, etc.

Sound like more liberal black-and-white nonsense to me! (<-- joke, for the impaired)
 
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conjur

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Don't you need some more choices? What about the Bouncing Universe, the Hawking-Turok Instanton Theory, the Protouniverse, Andre Linde's Self-Creating Universe, etc.

Sound like more liberal black-and-white nonsense to me! (<-- joke, for the impaired)
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Isn't it obvious, cK? The Colonel is a Sith...only Sith deal in absolutes! :D
 
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Colonel C

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Don't you need some more choices? What about the Bouncing Universe, the Hawking-Turok Instanton Theory, the Protouniverse, Andre Linde's Self-Creating Universe, etc.

Sound like more liberal black-and-white nonsense to me! (<-- joke, for the impaired)
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Isn't it obvious, cK? The Colonel is a Sith...only Sith deal in absolutes! :D
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I don't see anything wrong with being a...eh, now please start calling 'Lord'.

And Gun Slinger, I suppose you make a good point... I was just comparing the, how should I put this, the flagship theory and the Religious theory. But yes your right.
 
TastesLikeChicken

TastesLikeChicken

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I'm not sure I agree with your statement concerning the gravitational force. Yes, it's one of four fundamental forces - the other three being the strong, weak, and electro-magnetic forces - but, according to theory, when all matter in the universe was a "singularity," all 4 fundamental forces were united so gravity didn't actually exist.

I question whether there's only four fundamental forces, or whether those four are simply the only ones we can currently observe? Right now they don't explain dark energy, unless you want to atttribute it to being some sort of anti-gravity, or have it arising from zero point (quantum vacuum) energy, or coming as an influence from another universe that's possibly a millimeter away yet out of phase from our own universe. We can't even say with any certainty what dark matter is composed of.

There's still a lot of pieces of the puzzle missing that we need before we can make a complete picture.

 
judasmachine

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I have to vote that I DON'T KNOW. Maybe god was a (semi?) sentient being who suicided himself in order to spread life, and therefore god is in everything. unintelligent design?
 
glenn1

glenn1

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I have no idea. And while I don't subscribe to the "seven days of creation" as in the Bible, I have no problem with calling the first mover of the universe "God" for lack of a better term (once you've stripped away a responsibility to worship and religious rituals).
 
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Infohawk

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A good question is how the big bang happened. Who knows... Superstitious people will fill the gap with god, but I treat them the same as I would treat someone who claim a giant space monkey crapped out the big bang. (There is equal evidence for both: none).
 
Stunt

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A God/Spirit/Energy initiated life. Evidence seems to think it came in the form of a Big Bang event.
 
Steeplerot

Steeplerot

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I liked "The big Arkelsneezure", It's some giant anteater or something

that sneezed the universe out and all the fundies were afraid of the coming if "The big whipe"

in the form of a collossus hankerchief if their society failed to follow the laws of their bible or whatever.

Douglas Adams was cool ;)
 
judasmachine

judasmachine

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The world sits on the back of a tortiose, or in the hands of Amala. Duh. Just don't ask where the tortoise came from.

(see even i pick on my forefathers sometimes, but hell good enough explaination for me.)
 
her209

her209

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Originally posted by: Stunt
A God/Spirit/Energy initiated life. Evidence seems to think it came in the form of a Big Bang event.
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Who initiated God? And then who initiated that being? And so on and so forth.
 
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Stunt

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Stunt
A God/Spirit/Energy initiated life. Evidence seems to think it came in the form of a Big Bang event.
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Who initiated God? And then who initiated that being? And so on and so forth.
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I dunno...I do not pretend to know the answers.
Without getting too deep, personally i think life is too wonderful and beautiful for it to be an accident or a random occurance. Statistically our bodies should not function (complex molecules absorbed by membranes), molecules should not form (molecules form to lower energy, but reaction mechanisms must form complex unstable molecules before lowering energy). There's lots of things science cannot describe or explain, something is governing how these things interact. This energy/spirit/god has created many great things and they all work together seemlessly almost magically. Also, I like to think there is something greater beyond our petty lives with governing morals and reason to be good. Some way to punish those who do bad during their lives; for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction...I feel this extends beyond our brief period of life.

Maybe I am an idealist to think this, but I don't look down on anyone who thinks otherwise, as we all don't know...Trying to explain the unknown logically is impossible; all we can do is assume and guess.
 
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