How do you Say "Jihad" in Hebrew ?

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Less than 5 years after being on the receiving end of one Holocaust, Israel
created another Holocaust, in 1948.

That second Holocaust is called "Al Nakba", by the Palestinians. That is
their term for the destruction of 400 Palestinian villages in 1948, at the
hands of the Israeli Military.

1948 was a long time before Hamas, the Palestinian army, came into existence.

Now Israeli Rabbi's continue their not-so-good-neighbor policy, as described in the article with a somewhat inflammatory title, "Is Israel's Army Waging a Jewish Jihad?"

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=14193

"Religious extremists rising through the ranks"
by Jonathan Cook

"NAZARETH - Extremist rabbis and their followers, bent on waging holy war against the Palestinians, are taking over the Israeli army by stealth, according to critics.

In a process one military historian has termed the rapid "theologization" of the Israeli army, there are now entire units of religious combat soldiers, many of them based in West Bank settlements. They answer to hardline rabbis who call for the establishment of a Greater Israel that includes the occupied Palestinian territories.

Their influence in shaping the army's goals and methods is starting to be felt, say observers, as more and more graduates from officer courses are also Dr.awn from Israel's religious extremist population.

"We have reached the point where a critical mass of religious soldiers is trying to negotiate with the army about how and for what purpose military force is employed on the battlefield," said Yigal Levy, a political sociologist at the Open University who has written several books on the Israeli army.

The new atmosphere was evident in the "excessive force" used in the recent Gaza operation, Dr. Levy said. More than 1,300 Palestinians were killed, a majority of them civilians, and thousands were injured as whole neighborhoods of Gaza were leveled.

"When soldiers, including secular ones, are imbued with theological ideas, it makes them less sensitive to human rights or the suffering of the other side."

The greater role of extremist religious groups in the army came to light last week when it emerged that the army rabbinate had handed out a booklet to soldiers preparing for the recent 22-day Gaza offensive.

Yesh Din, an Israeli human rights group, said the material contained messages "bordering on racist incitement against the Palestinian people" and might have encouraged soldiers to ignore international law.

The booklet quotes extensively from Shlomo Aviner, a far-right rabbi who heads a religious seminary in the Muslim quarter of East Jerusalem. He compares the Palestinians to the Philistines, the Biblical enemy of the Jews.

He advises: "When you show mercy to a cruel enemy, you are being cruel to pure and honest soldiers ? This is a war on murderers." He also cites a Biblical ban on "surrendering a single millimeter" of Greater Israel.

The booklet was approved by the army's chief rabbi, Brig. Gen. Avichai Ronsky, who is reportedly determined to improve the army's "combat values" after its failure to crush Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006.

Gen. Ronsky was appointed three years ago in a move designed, according to the Israeli media, to placate hardline religious elements within the army and the settler community.

Gen. Ronsky, himself a settler in the West Bank community of Itimar, near Nablus, is close to far-right groups. According to reports, he pays regular visits to jailed members of Jewish terror groups; he has offered his home to a settler who is under house arrest for wounding Palestinians; and he has introduced senior officers to a small group of extremist settlers who live among more than 150,000 Palestinians in Hebron.

He has also radically overhauled the rabbinate, which was originally founded to offer religious services and ensure religious soldiers were able to observe the sabbath and eat kosher meals in army canteens.

Over the past year the rabbinate has effectively taken over the role of the army's education corps through its Jewish Awareness Department, which co-ordinates its activities with Elad, a settler organization that is active in East Jerusalem.

In October, the Haaretz newspaper quoted an unnamed senior officer who accused the rabbinate of carrying out the religious and political "brainwashing" of troops.

Dr. Levy said the army rabbinate's power was growing as the ranks of religious soldiers swelled.

Breaking the Silence, a project run by soldiers seeking to expose the army's behavior against Palestinians, said the booklet handed out to troops in Gaza had originated among Hebron's settlers.

"The document has been around since at least 2003," said Mikhael Manekin, 29, one of the group's directors and himself religiously observant. "But what is new is that the army has been effectively subcontracted to promote the views of the extremist settlers to its soldiers."

The power of the religious right in the army reflected wider social trends inside Israel, Dr. Levy said. He pointed out that the rural cooperatives known as kibbutzim that were once home to Israel's secular middle classes and produced the bulk of its officer corps had been on the wane since the early 1980s.

"The vacuum left by their gradual retreat from the army was filled by religious youngsters and by the chilDr.en of the settlements. They now dominate in many branches of the army."

According to figures cited in the Israeli media, more than one-third of all Israel's combat soldiers are religious, as are more than 40 per cent of those graduating from officer courses.

The army has encouraged this trend by creating some two dozen hesder yeshivas, seminaries in which youths can combine Biblical studies with army service in separate religious units. Many of the yeshivas are based in the West Bank, where students are educated by the settlements' extremist rabbis.

Ehud Barak, the defense minister, has rapidly expanded the program, approving four yeshivas, three based in settlements, last summer. Another 10 are reportedly awaiting his approval.

Mr. Manekin, however, warned against blaming the violence inflicted on Gaza's civilians solely on the influence of religious extremists.

"The army is still run by the secular elites in Israel and they have always been reckless with regard to the safety of civilians when they wage war. Jewish nationalism that justifies Palestinian deaths is just as dangerous as religious extremism."

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Originally posted by: wwswimming
Less than 5 years after being on the receiving end of one Holocaust, Israel
created another Holocaust, in 1948.

That second Holocaust is called "Al Nakba", by the Palestinians. That is
their term for the destruction of 400 Palestinian villages in 1948, at the
hands of the Israeli Military.

1948 was a long time before Hamas, the Palestinian army, came into existence.

Now Israeli Rabbi's continue their not-so-good-neighbor policy, as described in the article with a somewhat inflammatory title, "Is Israel's Army Waging a Jewish Jihad?"

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=14193

"Religious extremists rising through the ranks"
by Jonathan Cook

"NAZARETH - Extremist rabbis and their followers, bent on waging holy war against the Palestinians, are taking over the Israeli army by stealth, according to critics.

In a process one military historian has termed the rapid "theologization" of the Israeli army, there are now entire units of religious combat soldiers, many of them based in West Bank settlements. They answer to hardline rabbis who call for the establishment of a Greater Israel that includes the occupied Palestinian territories.

Their influence in shaping the army's goals and methods is starting to be felt, say observers, as more and more graduates from officer courses are also Dr.awn from Israel's religious extremist population.

"We have reached the point where a critical mass of religious soldiers is trying to negotiate with the army about how and for what purpose military force is employed on the battlefield," said Yigal Levy, a political sociologist at the Open University who has written several books on the Israeli army.

The new atmosphere was evident in the "excessive force" used in the recent Gaza operation, Dr. Levy said. More than 1,300 Palestinians were killed, a majority of them civilians, and thousands were injured as whole neighborhoods of Gaza were leveled.

"When soldiers, including secular ones, are imbued with theological ideas, it makes them less sensitive to human rights or the suffering of the other side."

The greater role of extremist religious groups in the army came to light last week when it emerged that the army rabbinate had handed out a booklet to soldiers preparing for the recent 22-day Gaza offensive.

Yesh Din, an Israeli human rights group, said the material contained messages "bordering on racist incitement against the Palestinian people" and might have encouraged soldiers to ignore international law.

The booklet quotes extensively from Shlomo Aviner, a far-right rabbi who heads a religious seminary in the Muslim quarter of East Jerusalem. He compares the Palestinians to the Philistines, the Biblical enemy of the Jews.

He advises: "When you show mercy to a cruel enemy, you are being cruel to pure and honest soldiers ? This is a war on murderers." He also cites a Biblical ban on "surrendering a single millimeter" of Greater Israel.

The booklet was approved by the army's chief rabbi, Brig. Gen. Avichai Ronsky, who is reportedly determined to improve the army's "combat values" after its failure to crush Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006.

Gen. Ronsky was appointed three years ago in a move designed, according to the Israeli media, to placate hardline religious elements within the army and the settler community.

Gen. Ronsky, himself a settler in the West Bank community of Itimar, near Nablus, is close to far-right groups. According to reports, he pays regular visits to jailed members of Jewish terror groups; he has offered his home to a settler who is under house arrest for wounding Palestinians; and he has introduced senior officers to a small group of extremist settlers who live among more than 150,000 Palestinians in Hebron.

He has also radically overhauled the rabbinate, which was originally founded to offer religious services and ensure religious soldiers were able to observe the sabbath and eat kosher meals in army canteens.

Over the past year the rabbinate has effectively taken over the role of the army's education corps through its Jewish Awareness Department, which co-ordinates its activities with Elad, a settler organization that is active in East Jerusalem.

In October, the Haaretz newspaper quoted an unnamed senior officer who accused the rabbinate of carrying out the religious and political "brainwashing" of troops.

Dr. Levy said the army rabbinate's power was growing as the ranks of religious soldiers swelled.

Breaking the Silence, a project run by soldiers seeking to expose the army's behavior against Palestinians, said the booklet handed out to troops in Gaza had originated among Hebron's settlers.

"The document has been around since at least 2003," said Mikhael Manekin, 29, one of the group's directors and himself religiously observant. "But what is new is that the army has been effectively subcontracted to promote the views of the extremist settlers to its soldiers."

The power of the religious right in the army reflected wider social trends inside Israel, Dr. Levy said. He pointed out that the rural cooperatives known as kibbutzim that were once home to Israel's secular middle classes and produced the bulk of its officer corps had been on the wane since the early 1980s.

"The vacuum left by their gradual retreat from the army was filled by religious youngsters and by the chilDr.en of the settlements. They now dominate in many branches of the army."

According to figures cited in the Israeli media, more than one-third of all Israel's combat soldiers are religious, as are more than 40 per cent of those graduating from officer courses.

The army has encouraged this trend by creating some two dozen hesder yeshivas, seminaries in which youths can combine Biblical studies with army service in separate religious units. Many of the yeshivas are based in the West Bank, where students are educated by the settlements' extremist rabbis.

Ehud Barak, the defense minister, has rapidly expanded the program, approving four yeshivas, three based in settlements, last summer. Another 10 are reportedly awaiting his approval.

Mr. Manekin, however, warned against blaming the violence inflicted on Gaza's civilians solely on the influence of religious extremists.

"The army is still run by the secular elites in Israel and they have always been reckless with regard to the safety of civilians when they wage war. Jewish nationalism that justifies Palestinian deaths is just as dangerous as religious extremism."
If your goal is to erradicate the palestinian people, 1300 at a time, for the money they spent, then the goal is not obtainable.
 

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5 minutes on google finds that almost everything in that article is either an extreme exaggeration or a flat out lie. 5 more minutes and you can see how deep the author's anti-Israeli agenda seems to be.
 

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And since there is a wonderful and fulfilling commentary on this article........please lock.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: Gand1
And since there is a wonderful and fulfilling commentary on this article........please lock.
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Yes, being denial, employ the strategy of an Ostrich, stick your head in the sand, and squeal, make it go away, la la la.

Or you could do the logical thing and show which of the various parts of the OP's
does distort reality.

bbdub's assertion of "5 minutes on google finds that almost everything in that article is either an extreme exaggeration or a flat out lie. 5 more minutes and you can see how deep the author's anti-Israeli agenda seems to be.", may have convinced bbdub,
but leaves the rest of us with nothing to base it on, so hence its only a smokescreen for a rebuttal.

 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: Gand1
And since there is a wonderful and fulfilling commentary on this article........please lock.
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Yes, being denial, employ the strategy of an Ostrich, stick your head in the sand, and squeal, make it go away, la la la.

Or you could do the logical thing and show which of the various parts of the OP's
does distort reality.

bbdub's assertion of "5 minutes on google finds that almost everything in that article is either an extreme exaggeration or a flat out lie. 5 more minutes and you can see how deep the author's anti-Israeli agenda seems to be.", may have convinced bbdub,
but leaves the rest of us with nothing to base it on, so hence its only a smokescreen for a rebuttal.

Of course when you willingly ingest anything anti-Israel as a godsend one does not expect you to do your own research LL.

As for the article, religion and military have gone hand in hand as long as anyone can remember. This is like saying the US military is a christian crusade military because it is not all secular, pure and utter bullshit.
 

bbdub333

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Originally posted by: Lemon law

bbdub's assertion of "5 minutes on google finds that almost everything in that article is either an extreme exaggeration or a flat out lie. 5 more minutes and you can see how deep the author's anti-Israeli agenda seems to be.", may have convinced bbdub,
but leaves the rest of us with nothing to base it on, so hence its only a smokescreen for a rebuttal.

From the article:

The booklet was approved by the army's chief rabbi, Brig. Gen. Avichai Ronsky, who is reportedly determined to improve the army's "combat values" after its failure to crush Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006.

From reality:

The military said in a statement that its chief rabbi, Brigadier-General Avichai Rontzki, was not aware of the booklet before its distribution, adding that he had not approved its distribution.

The rest of the article is unsubstantiated hearsay, seldom naming anybody other than "unnamed sources" and "reportedly ...". It has more opinion than an editorial, and uses reports similar to his, coming from leftist anti-Israeli groups to support his own anti-Israeli article.

If you can't see for yourself how pitiful this article is, then there's no point in trying to help you figure it out.
 
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Why don't you talk about how the Muslims wanted to commit genocide against the Jews long before 1948? Why don't you talk about the Mufti-Nazi?

The Palestinians left their villages because the other Arab nations had promised them that they could rape and plunder the Jews after they defeated the Jewish militias. The Jews offered them the chance to live in peace and to join the 20th Century and to raise their standard of living, but instead the Palestinians hoped for genocide against the Jews. They received the self-imposed "exile" they deserved.

To really understand the situation in the Middle East, read the two excellent novels Exodus and The Haj by Leon Uris.

Who are the barbarians, the Jews or the Muslims? Take all of your knowledge about these two groups of people and integrate it with all you know. Jewish people tend to stand for reason and science and are relatively secular. The Muslims tend to stand for the suppression of women, religious dictatorship, fanaticism, and terrorism. The only reason the Muslims aren't impoverished worldwide is the tragic accident of their having oil under the ground. You really don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure this out.
 

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Still it is hard to deny that elements within Israel have a major hard-on for putting Palestinians in a hurt locker.
 

brandonb

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Jews want to remove Palestinians.
Palestinians want to remove Jews.
Americans want to remove Terrorists.
Terrorists want to remove Infidels.
......

It never ends. Multi cultural and diversity just doesn't seem to go hand in hand with reality.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Still it is hard to deny that elements within Israel have a major hard-on for putting Palestinians in a hurt locker.
I'm sure that's true for both sides.

 
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