How do you make a generalization without being labled racist?

BigToque

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In my city, there is a large native population. Many members of this population are responsible for the majority of criminal activity in the city. Our prisons are at least 60-70% native.

When I am downtown I am much more cautious around natives than white or other races. I don't have a problem with natives because they are native. I'm just more cautious because the chance I'll meet one that will cause problems is significantly higher than with other races in the city.
 
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If you want to make a generalization without seeming racist, make a generalization about something not involving race. Then you'll be a bigot.

At this current juncture, I'm going to take a leap of faith and call you a "bigot racist".
 

Kenazo

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I worked at a drop in center for homeless people in Winnipeg for 2 years. i'd say 80% of our clientel were native. At least 80%.
 

ggnl

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native = native american?

Edit: err....you're canadians. What exactly is a native?
 

yllus

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As long as you don't say "all" people of X origin are Y, I think you should be okay.
 

BigToque

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Originally posted by: Abix
You dont.

Then what are you supposed to do? I don't dislike them as a race (I've got many native friends), but I know I have to be more careful in the downtown area because this is where they cause problems.
 

Injury

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Originally posted by: Stefan
In my city, there is a large native population. Many members of this population are responsible for the majority of criminal activity in the city. Our prisons are at least 60-70% native.

When I am downtown I am much more cautious around natives than white or other races. I don't have a problem with natives because they are native. I'm just more cautious because the chance I'll meet one that will cause problems is significantly higher than with other races in the city.


If the percentage of natives in your city is 60-70% or more, you are an asshat.

In response to your thread... you don't make a generalization or stereotype people. Present factual information if you want to not be taken for a racist or an idiot.

 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: Abix
You dont.

Then what are you supposed to do? I don't dislike them as a race (I've got many native friends), but I know I have to be more careful in the downtown area because this is where they cause problems.

In this day and age, you will be labeled as a racist by the uber-PC people. You just have to watch who you say things around. Some people can still not be offended at something non-PC, while others will have you fired or beaten over it.
 

biostud

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find other reasons why they're criminal: like beeing poor, bad education drug problems, no jobs etc.
 

PanzerIV

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[sarcasm]Man, the Native Americans are running wild where you live.[/sarcasm]



Yes, I know perfectly well what "natives" alludes to. Being cautious is one thing but name calling, disliking others because of their skin color and discriminating is another. If you do any of those you are a racist ass otherwise you're only being careful but it certainly will be quite ironic if you're victimized by a "non native" because you feel you're safer.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: biostud
find other reasons why they're criminal: like beeing poor, bad education drug problems, no jobs etc.

What if the problem really does move along racial lines? Can you still point it out without being called racist? I remember that I told someone once that sickle cell anemia is a disease that mostly affects people with African bloodlines. They said that I was racist and that everyone has the same chance of having it, regardless of race. This is patently false.

How can you point out that something runs along racial lines without being called racist?
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: xospec1alk
Originally posted by: ggnl
native = native american?

Edit: err....you're canadians. What exactly is a native?

yeh...whats native?
Hi guys, I'm Captain Obvious. The reason you can't see me is because you're slow.
 

Kibbo

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Originally posted by: ggnl
native = native american?

Edit: err....you're canadians. What exactly is a native?

Aboriginal Canadian is the general term, First Nations person if they're not Inuit or Metis.

That's the current politically correct term.

Just "Native" is polite enough for relaxed conversation, at least where I come from. Mostly Oneida Nation here. Constitutionally, the original treaties that recognized the first nations as independent nations within Canada are still recognized in law. Court decisions and other self-government policies are slowly making that true in practical terms, at least in some regions up here. That's why we refer to them as "Nations."

Making generalizations about rates of crime, poverty, alcoholism or other social problems that are endemic in many Native populations can be a very delicate act. The best way to avoid offence is to discuss them from the perspective that these are social problems, not moral failings. If this doesn't fit well with your worldview, I'd suggest learning about what those communities have gone through, and I mean in recent history. The Canadian government has had aggressive assimilation programs vis a vis the First Nations people as recently as the 1960s.

Many of the social problems remain stubborn not just because of the policies of the Federal and various Provincial governments, but also because of poor management by band councils since they have been devolving powers to them since the '60s. Much has to be done on their side to improve conditions. It's a very complicated problem, not very well described by simplistic racial generalizations. If you have to make a generalization for the purposes of an argument or conversation, do so cautiously. And make sure that the context in which you make it acknowledges the subtleties of the situation. Also, it would be wise to bear in mind that there are signs of improvement in these matters in many communities.