How do some (metal) vocalists have such amazing voices ?

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  1. OinkBoink

    OinkBoink Senior member

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    Okay. No one has ever given me a proper answer to this question. All I get is 'this is why they're rockstars and we're not' and crap like that.

    How is it that all these rock/metal vocalists have such wide vocal ranges and that gruff metal quality to their voices ? I'm specifically talking about singing here and not screaming.

    Some examples would be Dave Mustaine, James Hetfield (of the 80s), Bruce Dickinson, Tom Araya etc.
     
  2. Tiamat

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    Dunno about vocals but interestingly many of the instrumentalists are formally and perhaps classically trained to a high degree in their instruments in metal bands as compared to pop, punk, alternative rock genres. Don't get me wrong, occasionally you can find real talent in those other genres, but some metal bands just simply have ridiculous keyboard, drum, guitar, based talent all in one band. Talent one might only expect in classical music or jazz.
     
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    Because metal attracts talent.

    No other genre requires as much technical skill.
     
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    I get their talent with instruments but how do they go about modifying their voices like that ?
     
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    Either born with it, or they had a metal voice that they perfected.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNpdCcwZht4

    Russel Allen. One of the greatest singers alive on this earth today. He claims he was born and never had to practice.

    Awesome range, and amazing tone and control.
     
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    I prefer listening to female voices, such as Sharon den Adel in within temptation.
     
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    This. It's also worth pointing out that not all singers of metal NEED to have that gruff quality. Quite a few were also classically trained before they sang for metal bands. Off the top of my head, Tarja Turunen (ex-Nightwish), Charlotte Wessels (Delain), and Elize Ryd (Amaranthe) initially sang jazz and/or classical first.
     
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    While Bruce Dickinson is the best, how could you leave off Rob Halford?
     
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    fixed that for you
     
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    One thing people don't realize is that that gruff metal screaming is often times very quiet in terms of actual volume and amplified. They look like they are in pain doing it because it's part of the act.
     
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    Having the ability to get loud and remain in control takes talent. And getting REALLY loud and/or death growling and whatnot takes practice, unless you wanna ruin your vocal chords.

    But there are plenty of metal singers who really aren't that remarkable...they can do a lot of different things with their voice- clean singing, screams, death growls...but in the end the 'singing' just isn't that special.

    I think Dustin Kensrue (Thrice) is officially my favorite vocalist. The evolution of his voice has been quite remarkable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n3tuxh8Eg_M#t=35s

    For reference, same singer in 2003:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCUSzSProPw

    On every subsequent album his yelling got more intense yet also came closer to merging with his clean singing.

    edit: Not that I don't love me some good juxtaposition.
     
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    A lot of metal singers (m/f) are either classically trained or practice their voices a lot. If you try to sing like that and don't do it 'right' you'll not be able to sing for very long.
    But the human voice is capable of much more than many people think. Just look at beatboxers, or a band like Van Canto (for those who don't know them but know Nightwish, listen to this with headphones on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr7j-a9Kxc0)
     
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    I actually like Mustaine. His voice fits Megadeth's music well. He does a good job on tracks like 'Addicted To Chaos', 'The Disintegrators' etc. His vocals on Tornado Of Souls, a great track by itself, are awful though.
     
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    What I like is when a singer can adjust his/her voice to suit what they sing about in such a way that you can sense the emotion back in their voice.
    My Dying Bride, Sentenced, Within Temptation, Opeth, Edge of Sanity, Eluveitie, and lots more do that.

    Where pop music tends to have quite 'simplistic' subjects and therefor lyrics (mostly about love or happiness) metal has always also looked at the darker side of society. Both the pain of losing someone and the harm inflicted on people by others. That is also a reason why most metal will never be mainstream as most people don't want to be reminded about life not being all that nice and simple.
    Whether it was Slayer singing about Joseph Mengele (Angel of Death), Sentenced (Killing Me, Killing You) or My Dying Bride (For My Fallen Angel) singing about a loved one dying, or even a subject like incest about which many bands have sung songs, including Megadeth (Family Tree), Rammstein (Spiel Mit Mir and Tier). Dark subjects no one wants to think about, but they're part of humanity and won't go away by keeping quiet about it.

    Metal has gotten a bad reputation among many religious people due to the few bands that liked shocking people and therefor sang about Satanism. But many metal bands sing about serious subjects and deserve to be recognized by more people.
    To fight the darker side of humanity and the mental and physical pain people can have you need to be able to understand it, and to understand it you first need to be able to talk about it. That's one of the reasons I have high hopes for the growing metal scene in the Middle East. Whether it's the Arabic metal bands breaking local taboos with their music and lyrics, the people who make the festivals possible there (Desert Rock was allowed as metal festival in Dubai thanks to a local princess that liked 'louder' music) or bands like Orphaned Land from Israel who perform alongside Arab bands.
     
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    They are ugly so they actually have to be talented.
     
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    Or to put it another way - at the top of the pop genre the importance is 90% looks, 5% talent, 5% auto-tune.

    It's usually only way down the charts and in other genres like folk, alternative, metal that you get non-pretty people being allowed to sing.
     
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    Hetfield has only gotten better. He admitted in an interview years ago he didn't learn how to sing until the 90s.

    Outlaw Torn is one of his best songs and didn't come along until Load (1996).
     
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    Araya and Mustaine are about the worst examples of mainstream metal frontmen you could give for such a thread.

    False.

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    Fuckin seriously? 90's were the worst time ever for the shithole known as Metallica. Their only sense of talent was Pre-AJFA. If the people in this thread even consider metallica "Metal" music.
     
  25. OinkBoink

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    I wrote 'etc.' . :biggrin:

    His voice sucks (relative to how it was before) on everything after The Black Album.