How do sharks sleep?

spidey07

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yeah, I know. I watch too much discovery channel.

AFAIK, all fish sleep. And as an avid diver I've seen it.

So - if a certain family of sharks must swim to move water over their gills....how do they sleep? I think there are two distinct branches - those that can move water over their gills while staionary, and those that can't.

What say ATOT? I'm thinking they must sleep in high current areas.
 

Kenazo

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Originally posted by: spidey07
yeah, I know. I watch too much discovery channel.

AFAIK, all fish sleep. And as an avid diver I've seen it.

So - if a certain family of sharks must swim to move water over their gills....how do they sleep? I think there are two distinct branches - those that can move water over their gills while staionary, and those that can't.

What say ATOT? I'm thinking they must sleep in high current areas.

Maybe they can swim in their sleep?

How Do Sharks Swim When Asleep?

In response to a question about whether or not sharks sleep and, if they do, how do they swim while unconscious, I wrote:

Sleep is one of the last bastions of mystery that Science has yet to conquer. Despite several centuries of study, speculation, and debate, we still really don't know what sleep is or why we need to 'shut down' periodically. We know that all sorts of vertebrate animals ? mammals, birds, reptiles, and at least some fishes ? periodically enter a period of torpor characterized by a profound change in brain waves.

But when it comes to whether or not sharks sleep, we just don't know. There have been reports from all over the globe, including Mexico, Japan, and Australia, of sharks resting motionless in caves. These have been called "sleeping sharks", but I can attest that the eyes of these quiescent sharks do follow divers moving about in the caves with them, so they're definitely not asleep.

In his sweeping epic Paradise Lost, 17th Century English poet, John Milton, asked, "What hath night to do with sleep?" We know from sonic telemetry studies (the underwater equivalent of radio tracking) that at least some shark species -- such as the Reef Whitetip (Triaenodon obesus) and the Tiger Shark (Galeocerdo cuvier) -- are actually more active at night than during the day. Since schooling behavior is partially coordinated by vision, many other sharks are most active at dawn and dusk, when such prey is at a disadvantage. Studies such as these suggest that at least some sharks do not sleep at night.

We used to think that the Great White Shark (Carcharodon carcharias) was primarily active during the day. But it turns out that this is largely due to observer bias: humans tend to be diurnal rather than nocturnal, and it's very difficult to watch an underwater creature at night. Recent experiments by Peter Klimley using stationary telemetry pods placed along the bottom at the Farallon Islands, we have learned that White Sharks are quite active at night, when they probably feed primarily on bottom fishes. If these bottom fishes are sleeping when attacked, they're certainly in for a 'rude awakening'!

Because sharks rely on ram-ventilation -- that is, their forward swimming to push oxygen-bearing water through their mouths and over their gills -- this fact begs the question: do sharks sleep at all? Dolphins are conscious breathers, actually having to think about rising to the surface, opening their blowholes, and breathing. From Russian studies carried out in the early 1970's, we know that dolphins catnap in 2 to 3-minute stretches, actually shutting down one hemisphere of their brain at a time. From experiments carried out on a small shark called the Spiny Dogfish (Squalus acanthias), we know that the 'Central Pattern Generator' that co-ordinates swimming movements in sharks is not located in the brain, but in the spinal chord. Thus, it is possible for an unconscious shark to swim.

There is even a possibility that the sharks' fore, mid-, and hind- brain shut down in sequence, resulting in the shark equivalent of sleep-walking.

I hope this answers your question.

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Oh google. :)
 

JinLien

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Years ago I saw a show that showed a whale shark lying still and sleeping at a near by underwater spring.

 

spidey07

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ATOT delivers yet again.

Thank you.
:thumbsup:

So sharks don't really sleep, and it isn't really known if they do because of their primative brain.

gotta love mother nature.

Just think about how old they are...mind boggling really.
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: JinLien

Years ago I saw a show that showed a whale shark lying still and sleeping at a near by underwater spring.




I saw this also. Sharks gathering at an opening of a freshwater spring and sleeping.
 

kevnich2

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Spidey, it's funny you asked that. I am watching the exact same program on discovery and was asking myself the same question
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: kevnich2
Spidey, it's funny you asked that. I am watching the exact same program on discovery and was asking myself the same question

So I guess we've reached consensus then...

Whether or not a shark "sleeps" is still up in the air. We don't trly understand their brain or sensory input totally, and mother nature takes care of their survival.

Kenazo's link/googling seems to be eye openting and pretty dog-gone interesting.
 

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Did you know that when you sleep you are paralyzed? Occasionally people wake up in the middle of the night completely incapable of moving. While your brain receives sensory input from your bedroom and you are aware of where you are, you're in a semi-concious state incapable of distinguishing dream from reality. In such an event, you would appear to be awake to an observer and your eyes may follow the individual, yet you would be incapable of normal communication as your vocabulary will be reacting to the altered perceptions of your REM, which is likely to invoke panic in the observer.

When you wake up, which could be almost instantly or after hours of normal sleep, you will almost always not recall the event that took place, and when you do, you will reach the conclusion that it was a dream.

Worse yet, it's possible that due to the brain's confusion of receiving sensory input from a seemingly awake state it may not invoke restoration of sleep paralysis that would have otherwise normally occured upon waking up, which could result in you waking up fully, being incapable of moving for the remainder of your life. Odds are you could wake up tomorrow incapable of movement and even with the phone only a hand's reach away you would suffer a slow excrutiating death unable to call for assistance.

Oh well, goodnight.
 

BoomerD

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http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/******/Basics.htm

"Do sharks sleep?

It was once believed that all sharks had to swim constantly in order to breathe and could not sleep for more than a few minutes at a time. Oxygen-rich water flows through the gills during movement allowing the shark to breathe. While some species of sharks do need to swim constantly, this is not true for all sharks. Some sharks such as the nurse shark have spiracles that force water across their gills allowing for stationary rest. Sharks do not sleep like humans do, but instead have active and restful periods."
 

Kenazo

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Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Did you know that when you sleep you are paralyzed? Occasionally people wake up in the middle of the night completely incapable of moving. While your brain receives sensory input from your bedroom and you are aware of where you are, you're in a semi-concious state incapable of distinguishing dream from reality. In such an event, you would appear to be awake to an observer and your eyes may follow the individual, yet you would be incapable of normal communication as your vocabulary will be reacting to the altered perceptions of your REM, which is likely to invoke panic in the observer.

When you wake up, which could be almost instantly or after hours of normal sleep, you will almost always not recall the event that took place, and when you do, you will reach the conclusion that it was a dream.

Worse yet, it's possible that due to the brain's confusion of receiving sensory input from a seemingly awake state it may not invoke restoration of sleep paralysis that would have otherwise normally occured upon waking up, which could result in you waking up fully, being incapable of moving for the remainder of your life. Odds are you could wake up tomorrow incapable of movement and even with the phone only a hand's reach away you would suffer a slow excrutiating death unable to call for assistance.

Oh well, goodnight.


So, has that ever happened to anyone?
 
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SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Did you know that when you sleep you are paralyzed? Occasionally people wake up in the middle of the night completely incapable of moving. While your brain receives sensory input from your bedroom and you are aware of where you are, you're in a semi-concious state incapable of distinguishing dream from reality. In such an event, you would appear to be awake to an observer and your eyes may follow the individual, yet you would be incapable of normal communication as your vocabulary will be reacting to the altered perceptions of your REM, which is likely to invoke panic in the observer.

When you wake up, which could be almost instantly or after hours of normal sleep, you will almost always not recall the event that took place, and when you do, you will reach the conclusion that it was a dream.

Worse yet, it's possible that due to the brain's confusion of receiving sensory input from a seemingly awake state it may not invoke restoration of sleep paralysis that would have otherwise normally occured upon waking up, which could result in you waking up fully, being incapable of moving for the remainder of your life. Odds are you could wake up tomorrow incapable of movement and even with the phone only a hand's reach away you would suffer a slow excrutiating death unable to call for assistance.

Oh well, goodnight.



Haha, nice.
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Did you know that when you sleep you are paralyzed? Occasionally people wake up in the middle of the night completely incapable of moving. While your brain receives sensory input from your bedroom and you are aware of where you are, you're in a semi-concious state incapable of distinguishing dream from reality. In such an event, you would appear to be awake to an observer and your eyes may follow the individual, yet you would be incapable of normal communication as your vocabulary will be reacting to the altered perceptions of your REM, which is likely to invoke panic in the observer.

When you wake up, which could be almost instantly or after hours of normal sleep, you will almost always not recall the event that took place, and when you do, you will reach the conclusion that it was a dream.

Worse yet, it's possible that due to the brain's confusion of receiving sensory input from a seemingly awake state it may not invoke restoration of sleep paralysis that would have otherwise normally occured upon waking up, which could result in you waking up fully, being incapable of moving for the remainder of your life. Odds are you could wake up tomorrow incapable of movement and even with the phone only a hand's reach away you would suffer a slow excrutiating death unable to call for assistance.

Oh well, goodnight.



Haha, nice.



I LOVE atot...i don't know what i'd do without you guys
 

VanTheMan

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Did you know that when you sleep you are paralyzed? Occasionally people wake up in the middle of the night completely incapable of moving. While your brain receives sensory input from your bedroom and you are aware of where you are, you're in a semi-concious state incapable of distinguishing dream from reality. In such an event, you would appear to be awake to an observer and your eyes may follow the individual, yet you would be incapable of normal communication as your vocabulary will be reacting to the altered perceptions of your REM, which is likely to invoke panic in the observer.

When you wake up, which could be almost instantly or after hours of normal sleep, you will almost always not recall the event that took place, and when you do, you will reach the conclusion that it was a dream.

Worse yet, it's possible that due to the brain's confusion of receiving sensory input from a seemingly awake state it may not invoke restoration of sleep paralysis that would have otherwise normally occured upon waking up, which could result in you waking up fully, being incapable of moving for the remainder of your life. Odds are you could wake up tomorrow incapable of movement and even with the phone only a hand's reach away you would suffer a slow excrutiating death unable to call for assistance.

Oh well, goodnight.


So, has that ever happened to anyone?

/thinks about trying to type on keyboard that's just a hand's reach away
 

ElFenix

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we know that dolphins catnap in 2 to 3-minute stretches, actually shutting down one hemisphere of their brain at a time
holy fscking cow i wish i could do that. sleep whichever half of the brain was inactive. that would be awesome.