How do people this stupid not choke on their own saliva

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Sometimes I wonder how people can be so stupid, then I smile when I remember how they line my pocket.


PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.comFlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Plain Text)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with As, Kc.
Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) Jh, Qh, 2c (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, BB caps, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11 BB) Ts (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB calls.

River: (14 BB) 9h (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, CO raises, BB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB

Results below:
BB has 8s Qc (straight, queen high).
Hero has As Kc (straight, ace high).
CO has Td Ks (straight, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins 20 BB.

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.comFlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Plain Text)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5s, Ah.
UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) Ac, Kh, As (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Button folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG folds, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) Ad (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP calls, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP calls, SB calls.

River: (19 BB) Ts (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP calls, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 31 BB

Results below:
SB has Ks 6d (full house, aces full of kings).
Hero has 5s Ah (four of a kind, aces).
MP has Kc 6c (full house, aces full of kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 31 BB.

 

[imported_Mike]

Am I missing something? 😕

 

[imported_LoKe]

Congrats. 🙂

Howe much did you take?

 

[clickynext]

I choke on my own saliva sometimes. 🙁

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: clickynext
I choke on my own saliva sometimes. 🙁

Same here 🙁 . My roommates look at me like I'm possessed

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: LoKe
Congrats. 🙂

Howe much did you take?

$27 on the first one, $41 on the second. I got a lot more than that out of that table on the evening, but those two just blew my mind.

On the first hand, I thought I had lost to a flush after the raise and just called because of pot size.

Who the hell calls a pre-flop raise from someone under the gun with Q8o and then, not only raises, but caps the flop?!?!

On the second hand, well, you have to be pretty damn retarded to cap both the turn and river, 3-way given the circumstances. A bet or two on the turn I can understand, but this is just ridiculous. How can you not be the least bit concerned that one of the other two people pounding at the pot has the ace?

 

[95SS]

Why would you 3 bet the flop w/ no pair? The check raise from the BB would have told me all I needed to know, that someone had a hand. You could have been drawing to 4 outs if someone had a set or two pair. Think the BB would fold Q2, J2, or QJ getting 9-1? Hell, I would have called blind getting 9-1 preflop. As it was, your A was dead, since it would have made the CO the nut straight. Granted it worked out, but not very good poker IMO.

 

[Baked]

You choke on your own spit 'cause you're a lucky SOB on both hands?

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: 95SS
Why would you 3 bet the flop w/ no pair? The check raise from the BB would have told me all I needed to know, that someone had a hand. You could have been drawing to 4 outs if someone had a set or two pair. Think the BB would fold Q2, J2, or QJ getting 9-1? Hell, I would have called blind getting 9-1 preflop. As it was, your A was dead, since it would have made the CO the nut straight. Granted it worked out, but not very good poker IMO.

Hmm maybe I need to add a bit of context. These players have been playing terribly all night, I mean bad stone cold bluffs all over the place, etc. I figured them for having a pair or a flush draw given the way they played previously, so I wanted to make them pay to see more cards. In addition, I thought I would fold one or both of the players with a 3-bet. One of these players might actually think "hmmm why would someone raise preflop from UTG then 3-bet the flop? Maybe he has AA, KK, QQ, or AQ and I should fold my pair with a bad kicker" If they put my on any of these hands (and realistically, they should have suspected I had one of those hands), the fold would have made sense to all but the straight draw and flush draw.

There was a previous hand where I 3-bet with AJs preflop from late position, got cold called by both blinds + the original raiser. Flop was A, Q, blank; I raised the flop and got check/3-bet. Two players called and I folded figuring I was up against AK, AQ, or trips. The winning hand ended up being A2o, and the 3-bettor had QJo.

If you call Q2 from the blind and don't fold it in front of that kind of action, there's not much I can add to that. BTW, I would have definitely slowed down after the turn had it not helped.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: Baked
You choke on your own spit 'cause you're a lucky SOB on both hands?

Are you actually defending their play? Like capping not once but twice 3-way with the K? Those river raises aren't just bad, they're downright reckless and stupid. What the hell did they think 3 players would be raising with? Pocket 2s? They deserve everything they got on that hand.

 

[95SS]

If you call Q2 from the blind and don't fold it in front of that kind of action

Remember when playing with donkeys, they don't think about what cards you may have, just what cards they have. Case in point, my last tourney, 7 handed, folded to me on the button with AQs. I raised to 200(blinds were 25/50), BB called (notorious defender). Flop comes Q 2 8 rainbow, BB checks I bet out 250, and get beat into the pot with a check-raise to 750. I call, since this guy loves to check raise, I figure he'll check then turn and I'll get to see a free river. Turn comes another 8, and sure enough he checks it to me, I check and off to the river, which is a 6. He bets out 1000, I eventually call, hoping he doesn't have Q8, he flips Q2 and proudly says "2 pair", I flip my AQ, say "me too", and scoop the pot. He starts to go off, since he didn't even see the board paired 8's.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: 95SS

If you call Q2 from the blind and don't fold it in front of that kind of action

Remember when playing with donkeys, they don't think about what cards you may have, just what cards they have. Case in point, my last tourney, 7 handed, folded to me on the button with AQs. I raised to 200(blinds were 25/50), BB called (notorious defender). Flop comes Q 2 8 rainbow, BB checks I bet out 250, and get beat into the pot with a check-raise to 750. I call, since this guy loves to check raise, I figure he'll check then turn and I'll get to see a free river. Turn comes another 8, and sure enough he checks it to me, I check and off to the river, which is a 6. He bets out 1000, I eventually call, hoping he doesn't have Q8, he flips Q2 and proudly says "2 pair", I flip my AQ, say "me too", and scoop the pot. He starts to go off, since he didn't even see the board paired 8's.

Apart from his flop play, which I actually like, the rest of that hand is horrible he deserves everything he got on that.

Which brings me back to my original point, ignoring what's on the table and not thinking what hands might beat theirs is precisely what makes them retarded.

 

[alexjohnson16]

I wish I could run like that... but no, I have to be on a 25 buy-in downswing because varience is a bitch...

Plus PS enjoys really cracking my hands a lot, and I'm not magnifying a few...

In my last 10 tournaments, I've gone out on three coinflips, five hands I was dominating (AA vs. QQ vs. AK, JJ vs. 87h, TT vs. 99, AKd vs. A9o, and KQs on a 10bb push against the monster known only as 96o), one hand where I'm a pretty good favorite (88 vs. A3), and one hand where I just got outplayed...

I wish I could stab varience in the face...

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
I wish I could run like that... but no, I have to be on a 25 buy-in downswing because varience is a bitch...

Plus PS enjoys really cracking my hands a lot, and I'm not magnifying a few...

In my last 10 tournaments, I've gone out on three coinflips, five hands I was dominating (AA vs. QQ vs. AK, JJ vs. 87h, TT vs. 99, AKd vs. A9o, and KQs on a 10bb push against the monster known only as 96o), one hand where I'm a pretty good favorite (88 vs. A3), and one hand where I just got outplayed...

I wish I could stab varience in the face...

FYI, it's variance 😛. And trust me, suckouts happen far more often in short-handed limit poker than they do in NL. As long as you got your money in with the odds in your favour, I wouldn't worry about the rest.

 

[alexjohnson16]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
I wish I could run like that... but no, I have to be on a 25 buy-in downswing because varience is a bitch...

Plus PS enjoys really cracking my hands a lot, and I'm not magnifying a few...

In my last 10 tournaments, I've gone out on three coinflips, five hands I was dominating (AA vs. QQ vs. AK, JJ vs. 87h, TT vs. 99, AKd vs. A9o, and KQs on a 10bb push against the monster known only as 96o), one hand where I'm a pretty good favorite (88 vs. A3), and one hand where I just got outplayed...

I wish I could stab varience in the face...

FYI, it's variance 😛. And trust me, suckouts happen far more often in short-handed limit poker than they do in NL. As long as you got your money in with the odds in your favour, I wouldn't worry about the rest.

For some reason I can never spell variance. Thanks for the note.

Do you 2+2?

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
I wish I could run like that... but no, I have to be on a 25 buy-in downswing because varience is a bitch...

Plus PS enjoys really cracking my hands a lot, and I'm not magnifying a few...

In my last 10 tournaments, I've gone out on three coinflips, five hands I was dominating (AA vs. QQ vs. AK, JJ vs. 87h, TT vs. 99, AKd vs. A9o, and KQs on a 10bb push against the monster known only as 96o), one hand where I'm a pretty good favorite (88 vs. A3), and one hand where I just got outplayed...

I wish I could stab varience in the face...

FYI, it's variance 😛. And trust me, suckouts happen far more often in short-handed limit poker than they do in NL. As long as you got your money in with the odds in your favour, I wouldn't worry about the rest.

For some reason I can never spell variance. Thanks for the note.

Do you 2+2?

I've visited a couple of times, but I don't go regularly. Frankly, in 1/2 6-max limit, there's not much strategy to be discussed, the play is very straightforward for the most part. The only part of 2+2 I find interesting are the discussions for ultra-high stakes games which don't have any bearing on my play at all.

edit: Also, you should examine your game as a whole. When you're in a big downswing odds are that you're also not playing optimally in addition to being unlucky; you might be more tentative than usual, or you might be overly aggressive. Review some of your statistics and see if they are where you expect them to be (aggression level, VP$IP, etc).

 

[alexjohnson16]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
I wish I could run like that... but no, I have to be on a 25 buy-in downswing because varience is a bitch...

Plus PS enjoys really cracking my hands a lot, and I'm not magnifying a few...

In my last 10 tournaments, I've gone out on three coinflips, five hands I was dominating (AA vs. QQ vs. AK, JJ vs. 87h, TT vs. 99, AKd vs. A9o, and KQs on a 10bb push against the monster known only as 96o), one hand where I'm a pretty good favorite (88 vs. A3), and one hand where I just got outplayed...

I wish I could stab varience in the face...

FYI, it's variance 😛. And trust me, suckouts happen far more often in short-handed limit poker than they do in NL. As long as you got your money in with the odds in your favour, I wouldn't worry about the rest.

For some reason I can never spell variance. Thanks for the note.

Do you 2+2?

I've visited a couple of times, but I don't go regularly. Frankly, in 1/2 6-max limit, there's not much strategy to be discussed, the play is very straightforward for the most part. The only part of 2+2 I find interesting are the discussions for ultra-high stakes games which don't have any bearing on my play at all.

edit: Also, you should examine your game as a whole. When you're in a big downswing odds are that you're also not playing optimally in addition to being unlucky; you might be more tentative than usual, or you might be overly aggressive. Review some of your statistics and see if they are where you expect them to be (aggression level, VP$IP, etc).

Well, I feel like I am a much better preflop player than postflop and I've really lost a lot of confidence in my postflop play in this swing.

I play the $6.5 turbos which are full of donkeys and I am usually a rock the first four levels and start stealing and making my moves at the 75-150 level.

It was working great for me (aka I was on a heater) and now it's just terrible. I dont' feel like I'm leaking a lot of chips, I really just feel as if I'm getting very unlucky.

Maybe its because I beat the game for a while and now I can't and I'm biased because I once beat it. I don't know.

 

[Yossarian]

my unrelated poker story:

I was playing 3/6 at Hustler tonight like I do most weekends. I flopped a set of jacks, raised + reraised vs this chick who called everything. Turn is a rag, dealer pauses 2 seconds and burns & deals the river (king). I'm like WTF! I didn't even make a play on the turn! So the floor comes over and gets the story. He took the king off the board, gave us a chance to play the turn (which I bet of course), then shuffled the king into the balance of the undealt cards and re-dealt the river. I thought that was fair.

my highlight of the night was quad 10's on a flush board for about 20bb.

btw I understand that a bunch of pros were playing $4000/8000 7-card stud there tonight :shocked:

 

[alexjohnson16]

Originally posted by: Yossarian
my unrelated poker story:

I was playing 3/6 at Hustler tonight like I do most weekends. I flopped a set of jacks, raised + reraised vs this chick who called everything. Turn is a rag, dealer pauses 2 seconds and burns & deals the river (king). I'm like WTF! I didn't even make a play on the turn! So the floor comes over and gets the story. He took the king off the board, gave us a chance to play the turn (which I bet of course), then shuffled the king into the balance of the undealt cards and re-dealt the river. I thought that was fair.

my highlight of the night was quad 10's on a flush board for about 20bb.

btw I understand that a bunch of pros were playing $4000/8000 7-card stud there tonight :shocked:

Nice.

4K-8K is huge. The big game in vegas usually runs at 1K-2K from what I understand.

Names on the pros? Not many have the proper BR for a game that size.