MotionMan
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MotionMan
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MotionMan
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moshquerade
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Blackjack200
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Obviously anyone that disagrees with you can't swim. I don't know why you even bothered asking.
MotionMan
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No, generally those who insult are usually members of the group being discussed.
I did not assume that you could not swim.
MotionMan
Blackjack200
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M0oG0oGaiPan
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It's good to worry about public safety but really someone's either going to get lessons or they're not.
1) No motivation
2) Cost of entry too high. Need access to a pool/bathtub. Need to pay for lessons. Don't tell me you'll learn from a friend. Most people can't teach for sh*t.
3) Group lessons only so scheduling is no good
4) No time. Maybe grad school/lifting are priorities or something along those lines.
5) Statistically let's say you live in a landlocked state with only acess to pools/lakes/rivers. Really, is the actual risk worth your time? Depends on how adverse to risk you are. Or #1 again.
I think what purebeast means the motivation behind learning to swim might not be safety. You're learning to swim but obviously, that would naturally be increasing your safety because that's swimming, otherwise you're just wading around. Ex: I want to a run a triathalon. Requires swimming. Safety isn't the primary motivator. It's learning how to actually swim so I can compete. Another example: Mom says I'm getting you swimming lessons so I can meet up with the neighbors husband for piano lessons. It'll get you out of the house. Hey everyone is swimming, I should learn too so I can play water polo with them and shave my legs. I got more.
1) No motivation
2) Cost of entry too high. Need access to a pool/bathtub. Need to pay for lessons. Don't tell me you'll learn from a friend. Most people can't teach for sh*t.
3) Group lessons only so scheduling is no good
4) No time. Maybe grad school/lifting are priorities or something along those lines.
5) Statistically let's say you live in a landlocked state with only acess to pools/lakes/rivers. Really, is the actual risk worth your time? Depends on how adverse to risk you are. Or #1 again.
I think what purebeast means the motivation behind learning to swim might not be safety. You're learning to swim but obviously, that would naturally be increasing your safety because that's swimming, otherwise you're just wading around. Ex: I want to a run a triathalon. Requires swimming. Safety isn't the primary motivator. It's learning how to actually swim so I can compete. Another example: Mom says I'm getting you swimming lessons so I can meet up with the neighbors husband for piano lessons. It'll get you out of the house. Hey everyone is swimming, I should learn too so I can play water polo with them and shave my legs. I got more.
I've never seen a person not swim before. What does it look like? Is it funny like watching a dog on a skating rink?
#1 reason to learn: so you don't look like a retard. Your girlfriend will dump you then laugh at you then push you in the water when she finds out you can't swim. Even the family dog can swim.
edit: I mean swim as in not die when your boat flips over. Some people can't keep their head above water and they can't even doggy style it.
Modelworks
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Dad taught me. We went to the cliff overlooking the river and he pushed me. I learned really fast.
M0oG0oGaiPan
Diamond Member
I'm 40 and I don't know how to swim, every time I attempt to learn it I end up sinking into the water and I cannot overcome my fear of water. I really like to learn how to swim and I know it's gonna be so enjoyable.
I often think how come other people don't sink into the water? Any hope for me to learn it at this point in my life? I’m ashamed of not knowing it whenever we're with friends swimming/at the pool party/....
I often think how come other people don't sink into the water? Any hope for me to learn it at this point in my life? I’m ashamed of not knowing it whenever we're with friends swimming/at the pool party/....
MotionMan
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I'm 40 and I don't know how to swim, every time I attempt to learn it I end up sinking into the water and I cannot overcome my fear of water. I really like to learn how to swim and I know it's gonna be so enjoyable.
I often think how come other people don't sink into the water? Any hope for me to learn it at this point in my life? Im ashamed of not knowing it whenever we're with friends swimming/at the pool party/....
Some people simply lack buoyancy (like my brother-in-law who was a competitive swimmer in high school).
As for learning, how have you tried to learn? (You should be starting in the shallow end, so your fear of water should be a non-issue.) Call the local YMCA or Park & Rec and take an adult swim class.
MotionMan
Kind of know 'how to swim', at least if its in a nice, wave-free, non-freezing, swimming pool.
But (a) it never, ever arises as I haven't had a reason to go near a large body of water (other than voluntary trips to a swimming pool) in the last 20 years, and (b) I don't know that it would do me much good if I somehow ended up a long way from land or in very cold water.
I mean, really, what are the circumstances when it will be necessary to know how to swim but _not_ futile because you are a hundred miles from land or in water so cold you will die of hypothermia long before you drown? (Or, er, is full of sharks!)
After all, the vast majority of the surface area of water on the face of this planet is either of hypothermia-inducing coldness or has sharks, or is so far from land you have no hope of swimming back. The proportion which doesn't fall into one of those catagories is pretty small, surely? So is it worth that much effort preparing on the unlikely offchance you somehow fall into part of that bit?
And don't forget that its no good just learning once, you have to stay in practice and keep fit enough. You are probably increasing your risk more by frequent visits to a pool to stay in practice than you are reducing it by preparing for the very unlikely event of falling into a survivable body of water.
But (a) it never, ever arises as I haven't had a reason to go near a large body of water (other than voluntary trips to a swimming pool) in the last 20 years, and (b) I don't know that it would do me much good if I somehow ended up a long way from land or in very cold water.
I mean, really, what are the circumstances when it will be necessary to know how to swim but _not_ futile because you are a hundred miles from land or in water so cold you will die of hypothermia long before you drown? (Or, er, is full of sharks!)
After all, the vast majority of the surface area of water on the face of this planet is either of hypothermia-inducing coldness or has sharks, or is so far from land you have no hope of swimming back. The proportion which doesn't fall into one of those catagories is pretty small, surely? So is it worth that much effort preparing on the unlikely offchance you somehow fall into part of that bit?
And don't forget that its no good just learning once, you have to stay in practice and keep fit enough. You are probably increasing your risk more by frequent visits to a pool to stay in practice than you are reducing it by preparing for the very unlikely event of falling into a survivable body of water.
Different (swimming) strokes for different folks?
I've never in my entire life known anyone who had a pool at home. Never even seen a home with a pool, come to think of it. I presume there must be some, out in the richest suburbs somewhere. Anyway, as the entire region seems to be permanently suffering from water shortages (and 'hosepipe bans') I doubt anyone can legally fill their pool anyway!
Seems to me most drownings occur not due to accidentally falling in to water, but because people have _voluntarily_ entered a large body of water in order to practice their swimming skills! Ergo, if you don't swim you are less likely to drown because you'll stay out of the water, like a sensible person!
(I might just be arguing for the sake of arguing here).
Good try but that's not a valid comparison. You do up your seat belt because you are in a car. If you aren't going anywhere near a large body of water, that's more like not getting in a car in the first place. You don't do up a seat belt if you aren't getting in a car, no?
Likewise, backing up a hard-drive is necessarly if you use something with a hard drive. Not otherwise.
If I frequently went next to large bodies of non-freezing water, I'd make sure my swimming skills were up to scratch.
QueBert
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for people who will never be around water, knowing how to swim would be a pointless waste of time. I wouldn't preach data backup to someone without a computer.
MotionMan
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How do you know that you will never ever be around a body of water in your entire life?
MotionMan
MotionMan
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Why would I put on a seat belt? I am never going to be near an accident (at least that is my plan).
Why would I back up my hard drive? I am not going to allow my hard drive to fail (at least that is my plan).
What makes you so sure that you will never need to know how to swim?
MotionMan
Sorry, I forgot the rule that says everyone posting on ATOT has to be bizarrely over-aggressive for no sane reason. Goodbye.
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