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How do I make this area white? UPDATE!!! You were right, I was wrong. UPDATE!!!

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Epoman

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Ok I have a site checkout http://www.trinahalcomb.com I want this to happen.

See picture: White area

Like namecheap.com has.

Thanks guys for the help.

🙂

UPDATE

Ok, so everyone was right, I am sorry. I was teh sUx. 😀

I looked at my site on a 15" 800X600 monitor and it was scroll hell. It shocked me. In my defense It looks all right to me on my 20" 1600X1200 monitor. I didn't relize there was that much scrolling evolved.

So I got Dreamweaver 8, and I borrowed from a friend Total Training Macromedia Dreamweaver 8 and I am learning alot. I redid my entire site. it will still have the same things just no frames and no scrolling text, and some other changes. I apolgise for my earlier comments.

NO scrolling text, NO bigger than 760px wide (for 800x600 monitors), it's a start. 🙂

But I think it now looks better, so I listened to you guys and I hope you at least think it's a little better, remember I want this site to look like it was made "By a patient for patients".

So here's the links:

The OLD site 🙁

The New IMPROVED site :Q

Comments?

And YES I already sent "notfred" a PM saying how right he was, and how wrong I was. And I apologized.
 
1) Stop using frames.
2) Join the 21st century of web design.
3) use a white background color for the body.
4) make a div that contains the page content, and push it up against the left margin of the page.
 
Originally posted by: notfred
1) Stop using frames.
2) Join the 21st century of web design.
3) use a white background color for the body.
4) make a div that contains the page content, and push it up against the left margin of the page.
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1) No :|😛
2) I like it in the 90's 😱
3) Gotcha
4) I can do that on my main.htm and it works but how do I do that on my index.htm can you take a look at my source index.htm? and tell what to type and where.

By the way why does everyone hate frames? why must I be a CSS fanboi? frames are simple and easy (for me) 😱


 
Originally posted by: tfinch2
I'm not sure what you're asking...
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See picture. I want my site to have a white background like namecheap does when browser is set to full screen and people are using higher resolutions.
 
Originally posted by: Epoman
By the way why does everyone hate frames? why must I be a CSS fanboi? frames are simple and easy (for me) 😱
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Reasons to hate frames:

1) They don't bookmark properly. Go to your own website. Click "donate". Bookmark the page. Go to your bookmark. Are you on the donate page? No.

2) They don't print properly. Load your webpage. Print it out. What do you get? Probably not what you were expecting.

3) They don't work for people using text browsers. This includes many blind users. This is what a blind user's browser will likely try and read when he goes to your page:

I Hate Dialysis.com Welcome, we are NOT negative we just HATE dialysis

FRAME: sidetop
FRAME: top
FRAME: side
FRAME: main
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That was copied from the lynx text-based browser.

4) They open new pages inside stupid frames. Your "workaround" for this is essentially to have every link on your page open in a new window. That's annoying.

5) They're a pain in the ass to edit. When I went to look at your page to see what the easiest way to do what you want would be, the first thing I did was hit "view > source". Guess what I didn't see? The code for any part of your page.

Because frames are easy for you doesn't make them good. There are lot of things that suck that are easy to do. Like use frames, for example. Most of the impressive things in life are actually fairly difficult to do. That's why they're impressive.

Your particular frame layout also forces the user to ALWAYS have a significant portion of the page taken up by some ugly header graphics. IF someone's using a small screen, and trying to read a lot of text, don't you think they might like to be able to scroll that header off the page, so that they can see more of the text at once?

I could keep complaining if you like. 🙂

I need to get to bed pretty soon, but send me a PM and I'll work on something for you tomorrow, to show you what your site could look like.
 
Originally posted by: Epoman

By the way why does everyone hate frames? why must I be a CSS fanboi? frames are simple and easy (for me) 😱
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You don't need to be a CSS fanboy to dump the frames. They are absolutely not needed on your site. Your layout is straighforward: header, index on left, main content on right. Frames serve no purpose whatsoever so you are getting all of the downside of using frames with none of the dubious benefits. The only place I would consider it is an iframe for your "Store" section. I'm not familiar with SMF forums but most forum software permits the use of a header and footer which effectively allows you to run the forum "inside" your site.

 
Am I missing something? The area you want white is already white.

As for keeping the same layout, in tables I would do something like this:



The code is obviously oversimplified but that's the general idea when you have a layout like yours. Header in a table at the top, then another table containing 2 columns; one for the index menu and another for the content. For your shopping page use the same table layout but use an iframe in the content.
 
Originally posted by: Epoman
Like namecheap.com has.

🙂
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If you want what namecheap has, they use CSS and tables. I too must tell you to try to ditch the frames. To be honest, and critical, your website is hard for me to want to navigate. I'm on a laptop and I don't have the greatest amount of room on the screen. Your frames take up too much of my screen.
 
Ok, so I admit I didn't put a whole ton of effort into designing this, but it's still 100x better than what you've got right now. No frames, no annoying scrolling crap, content is better displayed.

it's got all the same content as before, and none of the annoyance:
Link
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Ok, so I admit I didn't put a whole ton of effort into designing this, but it's still 100x better than what you've got right now. No frame, no annoying scrolling crap, content is better displayed.

it's got all the same content as before, and none of the annoyance:
Link
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Voted for nicest deed of the day.
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Ok, so I admit I didn't put a whole ton of effort into designing this, but it's still 100x better than what you've got right now. No frame, no annoying scrolling crap, content is better displayed.

it's got all the same content as before, and none of the annoyance:
Link
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:thumbsup:

Well done!
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Ok, so I admit I didn't put a whole ton of effort into designing this, but it's still 100x better than what you've got right now. No frames, no annoying scrolling crap, content is better displayed.

it's got all the same content as before, and none of the annoyance:
Link
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Thank you, but it's nothing like the site that I made, you may think it's 100X better but to me it looks like something made in Frontpage. I do appriciate you taking the time, but I prefer my site better. I mean you didn't even put my banner.
 
Take a vote, see what other people like better. Not to be an ass, but your site looks like hell. It looks like the junk that people were making back in 1995, and when they look back at it now, they think "OMG, I can't beleive my name was associated with something so ugly."

You don't make a website for yourself, you make it for other people. If it's just for yourself, there's no point in it being on the internet. But do what you want, it's pretty obvious that everyone in this thread disagrees with you, but you don't really seem to care.
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Take a vote, see what other people like better. Not to be an ass, but your site looks like hell. It looks like the junk that people were making back in 1995, and when they look back at it now, they think "OMG, I can't beleive my name was associated with something so ugly."

You don't make a website for yourself, you make it for other people. If it's just for yourself, there's no point in it being on the internet. But do what you want, it's pretty obvious that everyone in this thread disagrees with you, but you don't really seem to care.
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Why do you have to be so mean? at least I can make a site, some people wouldn't even know where to start. You are very rude and hurtful. I thanked you for offering to help me, and when I tell you I do not like your attempt, you talk sh!t. Is it really necessary? Regardless of what you think or anyone else, I like my site and I am proud of the little skill I have. If you remember I came asking for help with a particular HTML question, not for opinions of my site or to have someone tell me how much my site sucks.

I think it was totally uncalled for and unwarranted. But I guess you're the type of person who likes to show others how superior you are compared to them.
 
Epoman, speaking from experience : we all find that our own designs are better than others. Personally I've denied criticism from outside sources over layouts I've created and later realized I was wrong for doing so. Notfred spent some time to create a clean and effective layout. With all due respect, your website looks more like something that came from Frontpage; no one wants to see marquees or any other form of scrolling text, it's unpleasant to the eye and distracting from the overall content. Animation is something that should be avoided at almost all costs, unless it's something minor in the banner, or an aspect of a flash layout. In all honesty, your website looks like a collection of advertisements thrown together in a billboard fashion.

I know this is going to come off badly, but I'm just trying to help, as was Notfred.
 
Originally posted by: LoKe
Epoman, speaking from experience : we all find that our own designs are better than others. Personally I've denied criticism from outside sources over layouts I've created and later realized I was wrong for doing so. Notfred spent some time to create a clean and effective layout. With all due respect, your website looks more like something that came from Frontpage; no one wants to see marquees or any other form of scrolling text, it's unpleasant to the eye and distracting from the overall content. Animation is something that should be avoided at almost all costs, unless it's something minor in the banner, or an aspect of a flash layout. In all honesty, your website looks like a collection of advertisements thrown together in a billboard fashion.

I know this is going to come off badly, but I'm just trying to help, as was Notfred.
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Yes but at least you talked sh!t to me nicely and not make me feel like crap they way he did.

Let's recap:

"OMG, I can't beleive my name was associated with something so ugly."
"but your site looks like hell."

But thanks LoKe for being mean nicer.

"In all honesty, your website looks like a collection of advertisements thrown together in a billboard fashion."

Oh by the way, thanks for answering my original question. :roll:
 
I'm not trying to be mean. It's constructive criticism which you decide to blindly disregard. I'm sorry you're so close-minded that you're unwilling to accept free work from someone who doesn't even know you. You come here asking for help, we give you a more viable solution and you decide to throw it away, why ask at all?

If you're hellbent on your layout, then atleast tell me if that part of the page has it's own table, row or collumn.
 
Originally posted by: LoKe
Epoman, speaking from experience : we all find that our own designs are better than others. Personally I've denied criticism from outside sources over layouts I've created...
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Really? Wow, I am SO the opposite. I've not once regarded any of my designs (web, print, whatever) as worthy, despite often being told that I am certainly adept. I've literally never (in my ten short years of "real" jobs) had a dissatisfied client/boss/etc., but I always shy away from showing others my work.

Maybe I should grow some, eh?
 
I'm not going out of my way to be mean. I'm being honest. I know it sounds mean, but that's cause, honestly - your site looks crappy. You're right, you came to the forum with an HTML question. A whole bunch of people gave you HTML advice. You got the same advice from at least a half a dozen people. You flat out ignored them all.

I'm not trying to "show others how superior I am". I put a lot of effort into helping you. I wrote a post about all the reasons frames are a bad idea. I designed a whole CSS based layout for you, which I spent over an hour on. You didn't even say "oh, hey, I looked at the code and I can see how you got the right side of the page to be white" or "I don't really like the layout, but there are some interesting ideas there". You gleaned *absolutely nothing* from the work I did, not because you couldn't, but because you didn't even try to. Did you even look at my code? I doubt it. You ignored everything everyone said in that thread.

If you don't want opinions on your work, don't put your work on the internet. And "at least I can make a site" doesn't count for much in a day and age where you can make a website with drag and drop in google pages.

What you're doing is akin to going to a contractor and asking him how to fix a leak in your roof. Then when the contractor goes to look at your house, he sees that it's a tarpaper shack that's falling over. When he says "Hey, that place isn't safe, it needs to be condemned!" you reply with "That was very hurtful. I built it myself, all I wanted was some help with the roof. You're mean."
 
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