How do God Believers deal with Dinosaurs.. .
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judasmachine
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The flood washed them away, and Noah didn't build a big enough ark. Oh and the same thing for the dragons and unicorns.
I'm a "God Beleiver" and I have no problem with that...Any person beleiving that "days" are literal days...there is no dealing with something like that God had many creations before us
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5000th post! YAY Then again Probably 3000 of these posts are in P&N so it makes me feel a little dirty
God had many creations before us EDIT:
5000th post! YAY
Then again Probably 3000 of these posts are in P&N so it makes me feel a little dirty some of them say the bones are either created by scientists or simply put there by the devil to fool people into not believing
Originally posted by: magomago
I'm a "God Beleiver" and I have no problem with that...Any person beleiving that "days" are literal days...there is no dealing with something like that
thanks for being sane!
glenn beck
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Err maybe you haven't read bible (old testament) but there are a lot of descriptions of Dinosaur-like animals and even dragons. It even has descriptions of human hunting them I believe (not 100% sure)
glenn beck
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You could have just used the magic Google thingy, but I guess thats too much to ask. http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml
Whoozyerdaddy
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Originally posted by: dahunan
But aren't we created in his image - why did it wait so long to make us...
And if he/she/it is perfect then what was his reason for making Dinos -- OIL?
How did it think to make Dinos first and not things more like himself
They were here for a very long time
Why?
The question why stimulates the mind into a state of wonder. A wonder in which does nothing but makes us wonder why even more so. The question "why", used to help us understand why things are the way they are. And even if we had such answers, we still won't believe or understand it.
Now, to your question.
The Bible does speak of dinosaurs, but it refers them as dragons or behemoths. Read the Bible if you're curious as to where.
Here is a good source:
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml
It is to my understanding that man and dinosaurs lived in the same time period. Of course, this information is contrary to science.
However, as far as science is concerned, there are many things that cannot be explained accurately. So, for all we know, this particular science (dinosaurs before humans) can very well be wrong
So, basically they're saying that Dinosaurs, or the likes, lived when the bible was written?
That's a pretty lame conclusion over elephants and alligators.
Originally posted by: dahunan
But aren't we created in his image - why did it wait so long to make us...
And if he/she/it is perfect then what was his reason for making Dinos -- OIL?
How did it think to make Dinos first and not things more like himself
They were here for a very long time
Well coming from an Islamic perspective we arne't created "in his image"...or rather it doesn't state that. Makes God sound like a super human and this puts a limit on God's abilities which contradicts the view that God is all powerful beyond limits
I think you are asking just weird and arbitrary questions...I could ask stuff like "If God is perfect why didn't we just get fuel cells in the first place!"
I think there is such thing as a "stupid question"
I'm not trying to say "don't question god" and I'm not directing this directly at you...but there are some questions that just take you nowhereOriginally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Originally posted by: dahunan
But aren't we created in his image - why did it wait so long to make us...
And if he/she/it is perfect then what was his reason for making Dinos -- OIL?
How did it think to make Dinos first and not things more like himself
They were here for a very long time
Why?
The question why stimulates the mind into a state of wonder. A wonder in which does nothing but makes us wonder why even more so. The question "why", used to help us understand why things are the way they are. And even if we had such answers, we still won't believe or understand it.
Now, to your question.
The Bible does speak of dinosaurs, but it refers them as dragons or behemoths. Read the Bible if you're curious as to where.
Here is a good source:
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml
It is to my understanding that man and dinosaurs lived in the same time period. Of course, this information is contrary to science.
However, as far as science is concerned, there are many things that cannot be explained accurately. So, for all we know, this particular science (dinosaurs before humans) can very well be wrong
heh, are you saying that dino thingies might have lived 2k years ago and vanished without a trace??
Kerouactivist
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Your first mistake is trying to rationalize irrational thought....cannot be done...
It's a common mistake amongst rational thinkers to think that the irrational must have some sort of rationallity in their beliefs.....its simply not true...
once sound logic is thrown out the window, and great leaps are made anything is possible....
It's a common mistake amongst rational thinkers to think that the irrational must have some sort of rationallity in their beliefs.....its simply not true...
once sound logic is thrown out the window, and great leaps are made anything is possible....
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: dahunan
But aren't we created in his image - why did it wait so long to make us...
And if he/she/it is perfect then what was his reason for making Dinos -- OIL?
How did it think to make Dinos first and not things more like himself
They were here for a very long time
Well coming from an Islamic perspective we arne't created "in his image"...or rather it doesn't state that. Makes God sound like a super human and this puts a limit on God's abilities which contradicts the view that God is all powerful beyond limits
I think you are asking just weird and arbitrary questions...I could ask stuff like "If God is perfect why didn't we just get fuel cells in the first place!"
I think there is such thing as a "stupid question"
And the athiests keep asking all of them, over and over again.
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Originally posted by: dahunan
But aren't we created in his image - why did it wait so long to make us...
And if he/she/it is perfect then what was his reason for making Dinos -- OIL?
How did it think to make Dinos first and not things more like himself
They were here for a very long time
Why?
The question why stimulates the mind into a state of wonder. A wonder in which does nothing but makes us wonder why even more so. The question "why", used to help us understand why things are the way they are. And even if we had such answers, we still won't believe or understand it.
Now, to your question.
The Bible does speak of dinosaurs, but it refers them as dragons or behemoths. Read the Bible if you're curious as to where.
Here is a good source:
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml
It is to my understanding that man and dinosaurs lived in the same time period. Of course, this information is contrary to science.
However, as far as science is concerned, there are many things that cannot be explained accurately. So, for all we know, this particular science (dinosaurs before humans) can very well be wrong
heh, are you saying that dino thingies might have lived 2k years ago and vanished without a trace??
The misconception that you've stated is assuming the world is only 2000 years old when in fact, Christ (in the bible) died 2000 years ago.
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Originally posted by: dahunan
But aren't we created in his image - why did it wait so long to make us...
And if he/she/it is perfect then what was his reason for making Dinos -- OIL?
How did it think to make Dinos first and not things more like himself
They were here for a very long time
Why?
The question why stimulates the mind into a state of wonder. A wonder in which does nothing but makes us wonder why even more so. The question "why", used to help us understand why things are the way they are. And even if we had such answers, we still won't believe or understand it.
Now, to your question.
The Bible does speak of dinosaurs, but it refers them as dragons or behemoths. Read the Bible if you're curious as to where.
Here is a good source:
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml
It is to my understanding that man and dinosaurs lived in the same time period. Of course, this information is contrary to science.
However, as far as science is concerned, there are many things that cannot be explained accurately. So, for all we know, this particular science (dinosaurs before humans) can very well be wrong
heh, are you saying that dino thingies might have lived 2k years ago and vanished without a trace??
The misconception that you've stated is assuming the world is only 2000 years old when in fact, Christ (in the bible) died 2000 years ago.
Wha?
Christ lived 2k years ago. (According to the bible and tradition)
So, to have described these things, you say they've seen dinosaurs, and since the bible was written after christ died, that's less than 2k years.
Even if it was mentioned in the old testament, that doesn't place it more than 3k years ago. If any bones existed, we would've seen them, and we would prolly have heard more stories of them.
Since quite a lot of stories exist from that time.
What are you trying to say or hint?...unless you could hinting at the fact that by 2000 years ago MOST of these things were already extinct and few that were left stayed in our tales. Otherwise I'm sure sure what you are talking about
But our history wasn't as bad 2000 years ago as we generally think it is. If dinosaurs this big existed and roamed around it would have been noticed everywhere and talked about in something more than mythology of 1/2 lizard 1/2 humans, humans with eagle heads, fables of Chinese Dragons, among the other folklore that eixsts... Because if that was the case then we might as well start to reason that 1/2 humans 1/2 animals DID exist and they existed during the times of "humans" because they exist in folktales (and my oh my that opens quite a bit of creativity up with a religion like hinduism with their characterization of animals), but always just mysteriously dropped off the earth for no reason
Either way the world is about 4 to 4.5 billion years old.
Whoozyerdaddy
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Here's what I learned in my 10 years in Sunday School combined with my understanding of the present scientific model of the universe.
As recently as 150 years ago, LOTS of people tried to count backward through the bible to discover the origin of everything. Pretty much that adds up to about 6500 years. Bah.
What a simple answer. Why would you want a simple God?
The bible as written in a much simpler time for a much simpler audiance. And while there are wonderful lessons to be learned in that book... It would be a mistake to take it literally.
Seriously... God is infinitely intelligent. Would he have just conjured up our existence out of wholecloth? *BAM* Adam, Eve, T-Rex, caribou, oil, Trump's hair. That seems a little simple for an omnipotent being don't you think?
An amazing rule of physics states that the more we know about an object's speed, the less we know about its location. And the more we know about an objects location, the less we know about its speed. This means that if we manage to pinpoint an object's exact location in time we know absolutely nothing about it's velocity and vice versa. The theory goes that if we could calculate both the speed and location of an object we would be able to predict its path, and how it will interact with other objects and their locations and velocities and so on.... In short, we'd be able to predict the future.
But as it stands we can't do either.
We can't even line up a cue ball and fire it off at an exact angle and velocity so as to sink every ball on the table in one shot.
Enter God. (Or random chance for you atheists)
Waving a magic wand and producing planets and stars... the universe as we know it... in one stroke is too easy... What a lazy God that would be.
This guy put all the matter of the universe into one pin-prick sized mass and fired the cue ball. Not only was he able to put every ball in the pocket (so to speak), he was able to know the exact velocity and location of every particle of matter he put into motion. And not only was he able to track what we can't in the wildest limits of theoretical physics... He did it like he was lining up the eight ball in the corner pocket. He put every sub-atomic particle in the universe into a specific motion. He calculated the exact trajectory, velocity and location of every sub-atomic particle in the matter that kicked off our existence to the point that he knew where and when hydrogen would form from quarks and muons and gluons and coelesce into stars that would eventually go nova and create helium that would coalesce into new stars that would collapse and super nova and would produce progressively heavier elements that would eventually form solar systems and planets... and eventually complex chains of carbon molecules that spontaneously divide into other complex chains of carbon molecules. Algae, amoebas, corals, vetebrates, mammals, us. All from one cue shot.
And what makes us so special? How is it that we are created in the image of God?
To this day we still struggle with the question of right and wrong. And that is probably an odd side track to our original purpose. (assuming that we are the end of the chain... or even had a purpose to begin with) Because on a grander scale we are trying to understand how this universe works. The result of a 15 billion year old cue shot is a group of fundamental building blocks that has achieved the ability to combine into complex groups and observe the world around itself and eventually, one day, understand that world.
And should we be the intended part of that cue shot to finally understand both how and why the universe is what, how, where and why it is... God will have achieved his goal in creating something in his image. A playmate... conversationalist capable of dealing on his level. Whatever you want to call it.
I guess you could say that God was bored and needed someone to talk to. Or lonely? I suppose it doesn't matter except to the person who is trying to rationalize his existence.
As recently as 150 years ago, LOTS of people tried to count backward through the bible to discover the origin of everything. Pretty much that adds up to about 6500 years. Bah.
What a simple answer. Why would you want a simple God?
The bible as written in a much simpler time for a much simpler audiance. And while there are wonderful lessons to be learned in that book... It would be a mistake to take it literally.
Seriously... God is infinitely intelligent. Would he have just conjured up our existence out of wholecloth? *BAM* Adam, Eve, T-Rex, caribou, oil, Trump's hair. That seems a little simple for an omnipotent being don't you think?
An amazing rule of physics states that the more we know about an object's speed, the less we know about its location. And the more we know about an objects location, the less we know about its speed. This means that if we manage to pinpoint an object's exact location in time we know absolutely nothing about it's velocity and vice versa. The theory goes that if we could calculate both the speed and location of an object we would be able to predict its path, and how it will interact with other objects and their locations and velocities and so on.... In short, we'd be able to predict the future.
But as it stands we can't do either.
We can't even line up a cue ball and fire it off at an exact angle and velocity so as to sink every ball on the table in one shot.
Enter God. (Or random chance for you atheists)
Waving a magic wand and producing planets and stars... the universe as we know it... in one stroke is too easy... What a lazy God that would be.
This guy put all the matter of the universe into one pin-prick sized mass and fired the cue ball. Not only was he able to put every ball in the pocket (so to speak), he was able to know the exact velocity and location of every particle of matter he put into motion. And not only was he able to track what we can't in the wildest limits of theoretical physics... He did it like he was lining up the eight ball in the corner pocket. He put every sub-atomic particle in the universe into a specific motion. He calculated the exact trajectory, velocity and location of every sub-atomic particle in the matter that kicked off our existence to the point that he knew where and when hydrogen would form from quarks and muons and gluons and coelesce into stars that would eventually go nova and create helium that would coalesce into new stars that would collapse and super nova and would produce progressively heavier elements that would eventually form solar systems and planets... and eventually complex chains of carbon molecules that spontaneously divide into other complex chains of carbon molecules. Algae, amoebas, corals, vetebrates, mammals, us. All from one cue shot.
And what makes us so special? How is it that we are created in the image of God?
To this day we still struggle with the question of right and wrong. And that is probably an odd side track to our original purpose. (assuming that we are the end of the chain... or even had a purpose to begin with) Because on a grander scale we are trying to understand how this universe works. The result of a 15 billion year old cue shot is a group of fundamental building blocks that has achieved the ability to combine into complex groups and observe the world around itself and eventually, one day, understand that world.
And should we be the intended part of that cue shot to finally understand both how and why the universe is what, how, where and why it is... God will have achieved his goal in creating something in his image. A playmate... conversationalist capable of dealing on his level. Whatever you want to call it.
I guess you could say that God was bored and needed someone to talk to. Or lonely? I suppose it doesn't matter except to the person who is trying to rationalize his existence.
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