How did the GOP that, 40yrs ago, made abortion legal turn into the party that nominated Trump?

[JEDI]

I read:
The 1973 Supreme Court that made the Roe vs Wade decision was composed mainly of judges appointed by Republicans (6 vs 3).


if so, The Repubs that made abortion legal 40yrs ago has changed into what it is today.
What happened?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

They've evolved

 

[preCRT]

Ronnie R was the one that kissed the butts of Evangelical Christians back in 1980, gave them control of the GOP, swinging it way, way to the right. He unleashed their compact with the devil which eventually birthed folks like Palin, Bachmann, and Trump.

Lie down with pigs, wake up with fleas.

 

[WHAMPOM]

They've Devolved

Forgot a "D" there.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Forgot a "D" there.

well I was trying to make a snarky jab at several high level officials who denounce evolution... but yea. I'll take devolved as well.

 

[WHAMPOM]

They will never admit they were not created that way, but they did pray away their "gay" in a 14 hour deprogramming session.

 

[zinfamous]

By courting all the whiny little bitches.

 

[theeedude]

 

[rudder]

Simple.. Trump is a big Fuck U to the Republican Party. Which would be awesome....except it is Trump.

Sane Americans got tired of the GOP continuing to raise the debt limit, not fighting obama on illegal immigration, doing nothing but having meaningless votes to repeal obamacare all the while as it is circling the drain and ready to balloon our already ballooning national debt. I could go on but if I typed anymore it would attract more whiney liberals who would kill for one of obama's dingleberries.

And I can live with a president Trump because a lot of people will hold his feet to the fire and not put up with stupid shit if he is president. President Hillary will just open the borders, give away more free shit all the while the republicans keep raising the debt limit.

 

[Jhhnn]

Simple.. Trump is a big Fuck U to the Republican Party. Which would be awesome....except it is Trump.

Sane Americans got tired of the GOP continuing to raise the debt limit, not fighting obama on illegal immigration, doing nothing but having meaningless votes to repeal obamacare all the while as it is circling the drain and ready to balloon our already ballooning national debt. I could go on but if I typed anymore it would attract more whiney liberals who would kill for one of obama's dingleberries.

And I can live with a president Trump because a lot of people will hold his feet to the fire and not put up with stupid shit if he is president. President Hillary will just open the borders, give away more free shit all the while the republicans keep raising the debt limit.

Speaking of whiny... want some cheese with that?

 

[trenchfoot]

Speaking of whiny... want some cheese with that?

And the grapes....don't forget the sour grapes.

 

[dullard]

Remember that abortion was non-contentious and pretty well supported by both parties back then. Even Reagan was expanding abortion rights at the time as governor. However, Nixon decided that they could turn abortion into a wedge issue as part of his reelection campaign. In one single week, Nixon campaigned hard for abortion and then switched to campaigning hard against abortion.

That was all part of a grand plan to cast a wide net. There weren't many people who cared much about abortion in the early 1970s, but there were a small number who cared greatly about it. Nixon's advisers decided that they could add that group to their wide net strategy. Piece enough single-issue voters together and you can have a very successful party for decades. And it worked, for 30+ years.

The problem with that strategy, however, is now apparent. Put a bunch of single-issue voters into one mixed group with no ties to bind them, and you end up with the only thing that matters is intense passion and party loyalty. Without that, they have nothing. Why else will single-issue gun voters care one bit about single-issue abortion voters or single-issue state's rights voters or single-issue small government voters, etc. Keep them in line with strict rules that they stick together and sign pledges to support ALL (be Republican) or NONE (be the enemy).

The only way to keep that going (especially when as a party you don't do anything about those single issues: abortion is still here, government isn't any smaller, etc.) is to become more and more extreme. Trump is the symptom, not the cause.

 

[JEDI]

Simple.. Trump is a big Fuck U to the Republican Party. Which would be awesome....except it is Trump.

Sane Americans got tired of the GOP continuing to raise the debt limit, not fighting obama on illegal immigration, doing nothing but having meaningless votes to repeal obamacare all the while as it is circling the drain and ready to balloon our already ballooning national debt. I could go on but if I typed anymore it would attract more whiney liberals who would kill for one of obama's dingleberries.

I....agree with you

 

[fskimospy]

Simple.. Trump is a big Fuck U to the Republican Party. Which would be awesome....except it is Trump.

Sane Americans got tired of the GOP continuing to raise the debt limit, not fighting obama on illegal immigration, doing nothing but having meaningless votes to repeal obamacare all the while as it is circling the drain and ready to balloon our already ballooning national debt. I could go on but if I typed anymore it would attract more whiney liberals who would kill for one of obama's dingleberries.

And I can live with a president Trump because a lot of people will hold his feet to the fire and not put up with stupid shit if he is president. President Hillary will just open the borders, give away more free shit all the while the republicans keep raising the debt limit.

Every sane American who understands the nature of US debt wants Congress to raise the debt limit. (or honestly, abolish it altogether)

The idea that you support someone because you think other people will stop them from taking insane actions is a horrifying idea considering the amount of power that the US president has to act unilaterally. This does a lot to explain the modern GOP though. For years and years the base has been whipped into a frenzy by conservative media and GOP politicians have played right along instead of pushing back. They claimed for years that if they were elected they would magically repeal Obamacare, that they would insanely not allow the debt ceiling to be raised, etc. When reality came in and interfered the GOP base felt betrayed and became even more frenzied. It's a terrible cycle and I don't know how it ends until the GOP either melts down completely and breaks apart as a party or the Republican leadership steps up and crushes the ultra right.

 

[nakedfrog]

And I can live with a president Trump because a lot of people will hold his feet to the fire and not put up with stupid shit if he is president.

I believe that you believe that. And it's so precious!

 

[1sikbITCH]

Reagan was the beginning of evangelical rule in the GOP. Pat Robertson and his cronies dictated Republican policy to the flocks for 30 years all the way up until 2009 or so when the Tea Party took over. Tea Party dropped the religion but kept the xenophobia and homophobia. Trump is nothing new as far as GOP values go. They have been spreading fear and intolerance since I can remember. By the way, if you are a Republican, and married, you need to get that bitch under control:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/09/us/pat-robertson-facebook-remark/

On adultery
"Males have a tendency to wander a little bit. And what you want to do is make a home so wonderful he doesn't want to wander."
On a man with an Alzheimer's-stricken wife
"I know it sounds cruel, but if he's going to do something, he should divorce her and start all over again, but to make sure she has custodial care and somebody (is) looking after her."
Asked what about the "Till death do us part" part of the marriage vow, he said Alzheimer's is "a kind of death."
On Walt Disney World's "Gay Days"
"I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you ... It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor."
On the role of a man and a woman
"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household, and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."
On feminism
"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
On the devastating 2010 Haiti earthquake
"They were under the heel of the French, you know, Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the prince.' True story.
And so the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal.' And they kicked the French out. The Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after another."
On homosexuality
"Many of those people involved in Adolf Hitler were Satanists. Many were homosexuals. The two things seem to go together."
On assassinating Hugo Chavez
"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."
On the tornadoes that ravaged the Midwest in 2012
"If enough people were praying, (God) would've intervened. You could pray. Jesus stilled the storm. You can still storms."

 

[Commodus]

And I can live with a president Trump because a lot of people will hold his feet to the fire and not put up with stupid shit if he is president. President Hillary will just open the borders, give away more free shit all the while the republicans keep raising the debt limit.

Oh no, she might care about people too much! Run for the hills!

The notion that Trump is some modest, easily contained threat while Clinton is a tremendous danger to American society is... a little ridiculous. Trump is the sort who'd start a diplomatic incident because his ego wouldn't let another political leader get the upper hand. Remember, he lied about what he discussed with Mexico's President Nieto (Trump insisted they didn't discuss the border wall, Nieto revealed that they did and that Mexico would refuse to pay for it). What makes you think a person like that is fit to be president of the US, even if Congress keeps him in check?

Once again, the only rule of this election: Trump must never be allowed to take office, and that means voting Clinton.

 

[rudder]

Oh no, she might care about people too much! Run for the hills!

The notion that Trump is some modest, easily contained threat while Clinton is a tremendous danger to American society is... a little ridiculous. Trump is the sort who'd start a diplomatic incident because his ego wouldn't let another political leader get the upper hand. Remember, he lied about what he discussed with Mexico's President Nieto (Trump insisted they didn't discuss the border wall, Nieto revealed that they did and that Mexico would refuse to pay for it). What makes you think a person like that is fit to be president of the US, even if Congress keeps him in check?

Once again, the only rule of this election: Trump must never be allowed to take office, and that means voting Clinton.

I guess you are correct. Hillary has never lied and seeks to be a president to all Americans.... for fucks sake turn off msnbc.

 

[Commodus]

I guess you are correct. Hillary has never lied and seeks to be a president to all Americans.... for fucks sake turn off msnbc.

Please don't argue against a straw man here. I didn't say that Clinton has never lied, or that she's a selfless saint. (And for the record, I don't watch MSNBC.)

Here are the issues: first, while Clinton may be a classic, cynical politician, she at least exhibits a basic level of empathy that Trump doesn't. And as for the lie? If Trump is so foolish as to lie about a political meeting where the other party could readily call him out, why would you want to trust him with important negotiations? While I'd prefer someone better than Clinton, it would be reckless to trust the presidency to Trump. He's only concerned about himself, he's hotheaded... and he's not only a compulsive liar, but a reckless one who will lie even when he's easily caught.

 

[MongGrel]

Please don't argue against a straw man here. I didn't say that Clinton has never lied, or that she's a selfless saint. (And for the record, I don't watch MSNBC.)

Here are the issues: first, while Clinton may be a classic, cynical politician, she at least exhibits a basic level of empathy that Trump doesn't. And as for the lie? If Trump is so foolish as to lie about a political meeting where the other party could readily call him out, why would you want to trust him with important negotiations? While I'd prefer someone better than Clinton, it would be reckless to trust the presidency to Trump. He's only concerned about himself, he's hotheaded... and he's not only a compulsive liar, but a reckless one who will lie even when he's easily caught.

I do not watch MSNBC myself, unless it is a link from Reuters or something along those lines.

Hillary has lied in the past, name me one that exists among politicians that has not and you would be wrong.

Trump lies so fast fact checkers can not keep up with him.

Common sense is involved in believing what you hear, but that is a bit in short supply these days.

 

[trenchfoot]

I....agree with you

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