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How Democrats Fooled California’s Redistricting Commission

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in wisconsin the democrates along with the MSM are working to remove supreme court justices, and sue to get the political lines they want.
 
Interesting, but the fire beneath the smoke isn't that clear.

The leading 'culprits' appear to be the very arbitrary nature of designing districts at all; the confusion from a new citizens' commission trying to do it; and the process that seemed pretty arbitrary in how it made decisions, in terms of public intput and how that input was used, how it was screened.

As far as the wrongs - let's see, the Democrats met to talk and strategize and kept their discussions quiet. Nothing shocking there.

They may have put people in public input meetings who represented their interests and did not disclose it. What were the rules, the expectations? Were they supposed to disclose it? Why was the committee relying on such unreliable information? I'm not sure how much wrong was done there - if they did wrong, I'm against that. And I don't like any misleading.

I'm just not sure what the 'meat' of wrongdoing is here. It seems more like trying to make basic politics sound icky. They wanted to keep more seats! They talked about it!

If anything, it sounds like the process went surprisingly well for what it was supposed to do as far as 'be decided by the commissioners'.

The issue here is unrelated to any other state, but it's worth noting, while it doesn't justify any issues with CA, that other states have issues - worse IMO - on this.

The scandal of Texas a decade ago, redrawing districits that were very partisan in the unprecedent between-censuses period, is more an actual scandal, for example.

Big business has the organization ALEC organizing to coordinate their interests through the Republican party nationally at the state level; they worked to take control of state governments, and as of 2010 did take control of a record number in I don't know how long, immediately followed by their agenda items fed to state legislatures including anti-union laws, voter supression laws, and de-regulation and pollution permitting laws.

That's an actual scandal. Worth nothing, but not the issue here, if there is one.
 
So, they gamed the system. Politicians being politicians as always. Regardless of party a politician's main goal is to protect their own job. Was the morality of this questionable? Yes, but less so than how every other state does redistricting. This method still had a chance of failure.
At least the California voters had the sense to set up a system designed to be more fair, now all they need to do is find a way to make it a system that can't be gamed. Once they do that I think every state should follow suit.
 
So, they gamed the system. Politicians being politicians as always. Regardless of party a politician's main goal is to protect their own job.

I don't agree with that.

There are things it's ok to do and things that go too far and violate the public trust.

And there are gray area things, which is what a lot of this sounds like - and have to be balanced unfortunately against 'balancing the other side'.
 
Republicans are upset with Democrats dominating the political system in California so they push through a redistricting measure. Democrats (allegedly) game new system to carve out more Democratic districts.
Looks like Republicans just got outmaneuvered on politics. Kind of like when they pushed the recall of Gray Davis and got Arnold-who was a disaster for the state and Republicans.
 
So, they gamed the system. Politicians being politicians as always. Regardless of party a politician's main goal is to protect their own job. Was the morality of this questionable? Yes, but less so than how every other state does redistricting. This method still had a chance of failure.
At least the California voters had the sense to set up a system designed to be more fair, now all they need to do is find a way to make it a system that can't be gamed. Once they do that I think every state should follow suit.

It not fair anymore because it has been "gamed". It is only now "fair" to democrat politicians who are no insulated from the will of the electorate and challenges from other opposing political parties.

The Ca Dem's new motto:

"One Party to bring them all and in the political darkness bind them
In the Land of Kalifornia where the Shadows lie comrade."
 
It not fair anymore because it has been "gamed". It is only now "fair" to democrat politicians who are no insulated from the will of the electorate and challenges from other opposing political parties.

The Ca Dem's new motto:

"One Party to bring them all and in the political darkness bind them
In the Land of Kalifornia where the Shadows lie comrade."
LOL Agreed.

I'm constantly amazed that the Democrat Party can be so corrupt when their competition is the Republican Party. The Pubbies set the slime bar pretty darned high, and yet the Dems always manage to clear it - although in this case it's at least consistent. If the Democrat Party stands for anything it's that a majority of people are far too stupid to exist without the Dems interceding in nearly every facet of their lives, so why on Earth would they trust these same people with something as important as keeping Democrats in power?
 
Republicans are upset with Democrats dominating the political system in California so they push through a redistricting measure. Democrats (allegedly) game new system to carve out more Democratic districts.
Looks like Republicans just got outmaneuvered on politics. Kind of like when they pushed the recall of Gray Davis and got Arnold-who was a disaster for the state and Republicans.

Gray Davis sucked fucking donkey balls and the dude deserves to be in jail. Arnold wasn't a savior, but he wasn't as bad as Gray Davis and the biggest thing I give him shit for is backing down to the Teachers Union. That was some pussy shit. Teachers should be accountable for their shitty teaching and be rewarded/punished accordingly.
 
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